[quote=dharrison]Don't get the 2004 Hybrids. The extra features... such as a grippy lower back portion to hold the pack firmer, is always covered by a jersey anyways so it is rendered obscelete. Plus the padding in the knees that is added is still not enough padding. I reccomend, (this is what I use) the 2003 model pants and a pair of the new DYE knee pads. Believe me, doing it my way will leave you with no regrets and a
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