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don't listen to him...he's probably never even shot one. its def. not a great gun. but its an AWESOEME starter gun in my opinion. i bought one bc a friend of mine was too chicken to play paintball so i bought it so he'd at least try it...i've owned it for nearly 3 years and i've never had one problem out of it. its not made from the highest quality parts, its a spyder clone, long tigger pull, etc, etc. but it comes stock w/ a bottomline, rear velocity adjustment, the power pack type deal comes w/ the same scott mask as the tippy's, except grey and it says winchester paintball(thus the reason why we've dubbed this gun the "winchester"). i have personally brought about 4 people into paintball with that gun and every one of them still likes to take it out for a round now and then. just my imput...not a good gun or anything, but hey it works and does so well considering. i've seen them on a couple of the online sites (that have to remain unnamed on the forums). bout a hundred bux for a pack. i bought mine in like new condition, w/ gun, mask, hopper, 1k of paint, squeegee, a 20 and 2 9's, barrel plug, armor, and some other crap for 100 bux at the flea market. just my 2 bits.
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