Shadowprowler

Ok.. I have been looking at a RT-ULE Custom as an upgrade from my spyder rodeo, and I am still kinda green to paintball. I have heard lots of "nay say" and "yay say" about Automags and would like to know your opinions and info. I frequently hear them compared to Autocockers and most of the people who compare them say the Cocker is better, but these are not the people that have really owned one. Was also told not to bother trying to run CO2 through it, the Mag will lock up within 5 shots unless you put a massive expansion chamber on it.

My local paintball shop says they "used to be up there with the best, but now they are not worth the metal", saying they are VERY HEAVY (he said just the gun is heavier than a cocker w/ tank and hopper) and very short ranged. Only one has been sold at his shop about a year ago and he said it was on the shelves for even longer. He later agreed they are very fast and accurate, over their "short range", and they will not chop balls.

A Mag owner I met on the net and talk to frequently, their website, and several review webpages say that they RT custom is LIGHT (opposite of heavy) and reliable. I have the page where I can order one on their website bookmarked, but i want to clerify this before I spend the money ( $340 dollars to start)

My simplified questions are:
1. How does the range of Automags compare to other guns of the same price range?
2. Why do I get totaly different answers regarding the weight of the gun and how does the weight compare to other guns you have handled of the same price range?
3. What is Warp Feed?
4. Is 340 dollars to start a good deal or can I pick it up somewhere else cheeper?
5. What is a Detent, what does it do, and should I upgrade it?
Thnx
Possible Future Mag Owner

txaggie08

1. range is the same for all [paintball guns with an apropriate paint to barrel match. the stopre owner is full of crap
2. the guns run the gambit from heavy to liught. it depends on what valve what rail/body and what frame you have. stock mags are not THAT heavy though.
3.warp feed is a thing that hangs on the side of the gun and feeds balls up into the feed. it lowers your profile but is kinda bulky. its one of those things youll have to see a pic of.
4.it depends. either post the deal here or show me in a pm
5.you dont have detents in a twistlock barrel body. in a ule body you have them.


a mag will only lock up that fast if it has any rt style valve(xvalve retro rt whatever) or if you let liquid dump into the gun. almost anything will lock up if you do that so.

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Shadowprowler

KK ty for the response
this is the gun and the deal i am looking at: Strait from the AGD online store option of Detent upgrade is the 6th option down in the list and it says its for Kila-ULE bodies too, not sure what the "Kila" means either.

Alpha

Okay, I'll walk you through this.

People say mags are old, slow, paint blenders, heavy, and have no use.

These people are talking about the automag. This is hte origonal gun which in 1990 was top of the line. Well, this is 15 years later, adn the automag sucks when compared to a lot of other guns.

However Airgun Designs doesn't just have hte automag. They have other guns as well..

Take hte RT Pro for example. IT can't use CO2 because the valve can't handle CO2 and keep a seal.

The X-valve that comes standard with an RT Pro can cycle 26 times a second without shootdown. Not 5 shots. 26 balls per second. With no shootdown.

The Level 10 bolt which comes with the RT Pro stock will not chop. I can stick my finger inside the breech, and fire off a whole tank, and it will not hurt or even make my finger red.

My mag weighs 2.7lbs dry, and 7 pounds with paint, a full tank and a barrel. Find me a mech cocker that can be compared to that.

I can shoot 17 balls per second on my RT Pro.

A detent is what keeps the ball from rolling out of the barrel. On RT Pro mags with a ULE body it takes angel threaded detents. It also takes Angel threaded feednecks and cocker threaded barrels.

The reason why everyone tells you it weighs different is because people ignore the fact that there are newer mags. Its just as fair to compare a 1992 autococker with an automag.

MY RT PRo weighs 2.7lbs. New mags are very light. Old mags are heavy. Simple as that.

All guns shoot the same range. The more velocity adn the better your paint size matches the barrel, the better teh accuraccy.

WArp feed is kina like a qloader but slower and you need to use a regular hopper too. ITs not too cool anymore, adn not too fast, especially since oyu can just get a halo and its 2x faster. It makes it so you can have your hopper on the side of your gun.

340 dollrs will get you the stock RT Pro, but its single trigger, has the ugly sight rails adn all that.

www.TheMagSmith.com

Get a paradigm for $100 more, but 1000x better.

The kila detents use magnets instead of springs. After a logn time the detents wear out adn the ballscan just push past them rendering it useless. Kila detents don't wear out.

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Shadowprowler

thank you very much! you both have helped alot!

Alpha

click my sig go to my site and go to GET A MAG NOW section in my website.

10 reasons why you should get a mag.

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txaggie08

i would get either the ule pro, the tac one or the pardigm(i think thats how you spell it.

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jacobeid

paradigm over anything. It ends up being so much cheaper than from AGD. From AGD you get SS hose that scratches up your gun. With a paradigm, the hose is covered. Also you get the gay sight rails from AGD. Not the case with a paradigm. AGD's comes base with a single trigger, when a paradigm has an intelli. The rail from AGD is heavy and ugly. The rail that comes with the paradigm (sleeper rail) saves 1.6 oz's by using ULE milling. Plus rogue is great, and its cheaper. Also, if you want ULT, he installs it for an extra $10, while AGD adds another $19 to your order.

Paradigm...plain and simple. Go with it.

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Meekajahama

if i had the money i would have gotta a paradigm but didn't so i got a stock rt but its still good and if u can't get the paradigm get that =D

Pezzer

BTW, in case you didnt catch that:

The RT-ULE and the Paradigm are baised on the exact same marker. The only diffrence is a bit of weight (the Paradigm is even lighter) and the look. Performance would be simmiler on both but either way you go Rouge at the MagSmith dot com site can do a better deal than AGD direct. (last I checked)

Can't go wrong with a Mag! Easy to take care of and a workhorse of a marker that will still perform while everyone else is trying to time their cockers, replace cup seals in their spyders and figure out whats wrong with their electric spool valves in their shockers.

-Pezzer