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***harrison*** · May 23rd, 05:02 PM

Alright, the question is which gun would you prefer Ion, or paradigm pro. i just used them today. i like em both so i need a second opinon. which should i get. Both are great guns for rec. i love my friends paradigm but i'm leaning twards the ion just for the speed. They were both similarly accurate w/ a freak, the mag was slightly better. how long does it take to break in a mag?

**AGD_kid** · May 23rd, 05:58 PM

ok the last time i have worked on a mag that wasn't mine, it had a leak- fix= 4 mins to find and fix

last time i fixed an ion leak- fix= an hour, maybe a few mins more.

i don't understand, why people would buy a gun that that the know will have problems... expensive problems.

TheRob · May 23rd, 06:13 PM

Ion. Best gun in it's price range by a landslide.

**AGD_kid** · May 23rd, 06:34 PM

for the price range i think a wrath is more dependable.

TheRob · May 23rd, 06:56 PM

I've played with an Ion for a while, no troubles at all for me, in fact, I preferred that over my timmy. Ion with the qev mod is awesome, fast, awesome efficiency, etc.

**AGD_kid** · May 23rd, 07:33 PM

right out of the box those things are begging for work-
switch out hoses
loctite, or buy a feedneck
their barrels are not the best

RB · May 23rd, 07:53 PM

Wrath=no eyes, if im not mistaken.

-RB-

**bobide** · May 23rd, 07:55 PM

wrath has beam-breaks and a 20bps board, good regs also, similar to the torp.

***Youngunz8527*** · May 23rd, 08:50 PM

But im pretty sure wrath is blowback...ION is full electro-pneumatic. As for the question, I would go with the ION, I havnt had any problems...yet, and for the money it is a pretty good marker. Nothin against the paradigem (sp) though, they are very nice as well.

**Zeruel** · May 23rd, 08:54 PM

Actually, the wrath is NOT a blowback. The wrath is a FASOR type. Which means: Forward Air Spring Operated Return if I remember correctly. This is a lot like the BKO, which is also a spring returned ram. But it is NOT a blowback. I would suggest the Paradigm. If you get an Ion, everyone has one now. If you get the paradigm, you will be unique. Not that many people like mags anymore, so not that many people will have them.

***Youngunz8527*** · May 23rd, 08:57 PM

Cool, sorry for the mistake man, I didn't know that...thanks

**Zeruel** · May 23rd, 09:13 PM

No problem, Im not even 100% sure that it FASOR stand for forward air spring operated return... I just know that the Wrath is a Spring returned ram like the BKO. ANd besides, nobody knows everything, so you can always learn

**bobide** · May 23rd, 09:15 PM

actually i dont think it uses a spring. I'll check up on that.

edit* checked and ur right, it's spring returned.

**Meekajahama** · May 24th, 05:09 PM

i say the paradigm just because like zeruel said its unique plus u get

lvlX bolt-no chops
xvalve-26bps no shootdown
almost peak performance out of box not many upgrades besides cosmetics that affects performance
pneumag-amazing fast comming soon which should blow an ion away if its not rebounding

***harrison*** · May 24th, 05:49 PM

will the pneumag be for the paradigm or is it a gun of it's own. Also i have used the wrath and the ion and paradigm. i like them all for specific reasons. i have just never used them for long term or take them apart to see how they work. but the big question for me is how long does it take to break in a paradigm and is the x-valve fully asembeled. And still, i can not deside which one.

from my experience i found

Ion and wrath are both fast (they do have vision)
By the way the wrath is almost exactly like the timmy i used the other day, it just didn't have the bells and wistles and lcd screans and stuff. The only problem with the ion and wrath to me were there bolts. they are both aluminum. however the wrath has no ramping what soever and can run with a revie (if you have fast fingers you should definetly get an egg or an apache) but i do like the ion better just because of the company and with a few parts it has great potential. while on the other hand i do not want to go electric. So i considered the paradigm and just tried my friends about a month ago. I was amazed about its weight and accuracy w/a all american.

Any way I love all three guns and just can not deside to save my life. Help!

**AGD_kid** · May 24th, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrison

i do like the ion better just because of the company

what is the part you like?-

they have BAD quality control

or

they use the law books to gain power rather than making something great on their own(other than impy).

i know/work with guys from philly americans, i have meet the SP owners (adam & bill)...honestly- those guys do some weird stuff.

Diablo and AGD are far better and do more for their customers (much better customer service).

**jacobeid** · May 24th, 06:56 PM

AGD is like a big family. SP is like a big family....run by two dictators who send bounty hunters out.

***harrison*** · May 24th, 07:33 PM

I guess so... but do you know if shocktech makes a bolt for the wrath?

**AGD_kid** · May 24th, 08:56 PM

last i heard the wrath had no bolt. a friend of mine did a big review and got one before anyone else could touch it. It seemed nice from what he said, so i gave one a try and the bolt was one thing we questioned. I haven't really been up to date with the upgrades for it, and our stores have 2 locations (the other guys get all new newer crap lol) so i don't see many.

Lord Headley · May 26th, 06:15 PM

This is the AGD forum guys, keep it AGD please m'kay?

- Brian