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**counterstrike53** · June 5th, 09:22 PM

For quite a while now i was trying to get money to save up for a new gun, but the money wasn't just flowing. Just today i went to hang out with my uncle Tom who is quite rich and has been into paintball for a while, but quit about 3 or 4 years ago. Well he pulled out this mag (i had been considering buying one for a while now) and i fell in love with it. Its an RT mag with lapco drop foward, dye boomstick (14 inch), benchmark grips, benchmark on/off, a smart parts all american barrel (14) and some lapco barrel (14), a 68/3000 crossfire nitro, and a gun case to top it all off. I was just joking around when i said "i'll buy it off you for 400 bucks" and then he says "ehh. you can have it for free." So after going through a 15 or 20 minute period of disbelief it came across me that this was seriously my gun now.

What my real question is here is what do i need to know about mags? Honestly i dont know much about em. I know that they run at about 4-5 hundred psi, and that the valve is also a regulator, and to never oil the valve unless you wanna mess it up. I need to know how to maintain it, how to disassemble it, any other upgrades i might want, things to do and what not to do, how to fix any problems that come my way, and what i can do to lighten up the trigger pull (the only part of the gun that failed to impress me.)

any input is appreciated

mike

Lord Headley · June 5th, 09:44 PM

There pretty easy to take care of to tell you the truth. Just take care of it as you would any marker. Sit down, take it apart, and you'll realize there really isn't much to them at all. There are diagrams on AO, and i believe AGD's website still has them.

I would suggest getting a level 10 for it. I'm assuming since he quit 3-4 years ago that it's going to be a classic RT or RT Pro so it's bound not to have one on there.

Check out the FAQ section for any other questions or if you have any issues.

Sweet deal man, especially for free.

- Brian

**counterstrike53** · June 5th, 10:02 PM

how can you differ the classic rt from the rt pro??

Lord Headley · June 5th, 10:12 PM

The basic difference between the two are as follows.

RT Circa was released back in 1996, and it wasn't able to take all the AGD upgrades released at the time unless it was made for the RT specifically. The RT Circa also had a hard line gas through that ran down the length of the rail.

The RT Pro Circa was released in 2000 and it’s the same marker as the RT Circa with a few minor differences. They did away with the hard line gas through, and opted for braided line to a bottom line ASA. Also the RT Pro could handle all AGD upgrades.

Those are the basic differences between the RT and the RT Pro.

- Brian

Alpha · June 5th, 10:15 PM

RT Pros come with x-valves. Classic RT's have a valve that says RT valve on them.

Mags dont run at a few thousand PSI. They run at 500PSI.

The valve can be twisted apart (not without some force, they're loctited on). The frotn part is teh valve, and the back part is the regulator. Yes, mags have a built in regulator. It takes your 850PSI preset tank and lowers the pressure to 500PSI.

Thats not to say you can run a mag with 500PSI. They work better and prefer higher pressures.

The higher pressure, teh more reactive your trigger will be.

You can get a ULT upgrade that replaces the on/off (its on the valve.. The on/off is a small bronze square). That will bring the pull down to 15 ounces, although I'm not sure if they work in classic RT Valves. I'm 80% sure they do. Check with someone else.

You'll want a Level 10, and your going to have problems tuning it. Just AIM me sometime and I can help you with anythign you need.

Its funny to see peoepl calling me by name. Theres tons of mag owners on here far more knowledgable and more experienced then I. I've only had my mag for a little more then 6 months.

Lord Headley · June 5th, 10:20 PM

There are two different RT's Alpha, actually three if you think about it.

The RT (1996)
The RT Pro (2000)
and now the RT Custom

The first two came with the RT Valve. The x-valve didn't come out till 2002, so the RT's made after the release of the X-Valve all came with X-Valves stock. So you have to look for the little things to see the difference between the RT and the RT Pro.

Actually, i believe the original RT's had the vented front, much like the minimag, but instead of horizontal lines running down the barrel, it had circular holes.

- Brian

Alpha · June 5th, 10:28 PM

An RT Custom really isnt much of a difference... You just get a choice of what you want. In the long run, you cant upgrade a mag. Theres no 3-ways or RAMs to be had, no LPC, no cheater boards(except devils). Pretty much everything else you do to a mag is cosmetic, or ergonomics. A barrel... Hopper.. Tank... What else is there?

I REALLY hate when people call them ULE Customs. They could mean just about ANY mag.

Lord Headley · June 5th, 10:32 PM

Exactly, but the same could be said about any marker right? I mean, look at the 98's? There is no difference, but people hear Custom and think special. The only reason i'm saying there are 3 different types of RT's is because they were sold in 3 different versions. Though yes, the RT Custom is totally up to you when you order it, but the advent of the X-Valve changes the stock package no matter what choices are available.

Think of it as a new car. Basically the same every year, with minor changes, same price tag, different production date, but not the same as the model before it.

Either way, an RT is the best mechanical marker out there… PERIOD!

- Brian

**counterstrike53** · June 5th, 10:48 PM

i said 4-500 psi, as in 400 to 500 psi, not 4500. (easy mistake to make) i know you can walk your mag like a madman alpha. i have pretty good fingers (can get 16 on a stock ion on semi) so what upgrades should i get so i can at least get my rof just over 10 or 12? (i know to get a better hopper)

edit: you guys know your stuff. thanks for helping

**TAW** · June 5th, 10:49 PM

We need pics of your marker first before we can tell you what you have and what you can get for it.

Alpha · June 5th, 10:59 PM

Some day I'm going to band togethor an army of Aoers, and we're going to storm TAW and take all his mag stuff. I swear, he is hoggin all the AGD stuff.

Lord Headley · June 5th, 11:23 PM

Pssh, you and i could take him, we don't need an Army.

**TAW** · June 6th, 12:42 AM

What the heck are you guys talking about? I've got most of my Mags off the dead bodys of the people that try to rob me. So please stay home I don't need any more Mags.

***MedicDVG*** · June 6th, 07:20 AM

Ok... here is a graphical history of AGD markers courtesy of the Airgun Designs Virtual Museum.

Original RT Circa 1996

THings you should note here is the gas through RAIL! Often times there was a duckbill asa under the trigger frame and a line going from that to the foregrip, on the other side, there was a hard steel line going to the valve (the RT valve.)

If you have one of these, then there are only a few upgrades available. It is a workhorse of a marker and they look pretty cool in my book.

The RT PRO circa 2000

Here the gas through rail has been done away with, and the marker accepts all of the AGD and aftermarket upgrades.

The Current (user upgraded) AGD RT Pro ULE 2004

Here is a sweet mag showing many of the aftermarket parts available. Verticle Chimera Frame and splinter rail, by Roguefactor, X-valve, and gas through grip. A sweeter mech marker you will be hard pressed to find.

***Little_Ho*** · June 6th, 08:30 AM

Hi you can tell the diffrece between a Classic RT and a RT Pro by the Valve Fieldstripbolt. The Classic has a Banjo bolt which the Air is going thru. The Newer Valve dont. The newer Valves Feed air thru the side. The Classic RT Valve feed from the Bottom. The Classic has normal a Hardline from the Frontgrip to the Rail. The air vent thru the Rail into the Banjo into the Valve.

Thats the biggest Diffent between them. You can not really upgrade the Classic RT very much. If you Valve Drilled you can put a ULT in it and a new Barrel. Thats all so far I am aware of. I own a Classic RT and it never failed me. The next Diffrent is i think the Body. The Classic body is going over the Valve.

I suggest you get a RT Oring kit from AGD or one of the Dealer on AO and Lube. A lot of Lube. Then go ahead and change the O-Rings out and lube everything very good. The Mag love Lube/Oil......

If you have any question ask. The Mag like pressure over 500PSI. The more input pressure you give the Mag the faster it can cycle, the higer the rate of fire. I had mine up to 21BPS. Just with an Inputpressure of 1200PSI,lol

Little_Ho

Oh btw i know everyone loves Pics so here is mine ULE Custom Mag:

**Soopa Villain17** · June 6th, 09:29 AM

yes we deffinitly need to see pictures of your mag , i wish i had asn unlce that would give me a rt mag

, but heres my mag

**counterstrike53** · June 6th, 01:45 PM

whoa. mine doesn't look anything like any of thoes pics. mine has a dye frame, a double trigger, and has oval shaped porting in the barrel slot thingy, and says ReTro valve on the valve. Well RT are capitalized so i thought it was an rt.

edit: so i guess i really dont know what the heck it is now...

Lord Headley · June 6th, 01:51 PM

Minimag with an RT valve maybe?

**counterstrike53** · June 6th, 01:56 PM

somebody please sign on to AIM and IM me. im counterstrike532. i have pics on my computer but dont wanna have to mess around with resizing them. also i need to turn down my velocity but my adjuster on the valve is stiff as heck. what do i do?

edit: actually that body looks exactly what my mag looks like except i have a gas thru grip and a dye frame with double trigger, and a retro valve.