[RRfireblade]

The ones I'm familiar with predate AGDs and Tippmans. You think I happen to know the Patent numbers of all 3 off the top of my head? Get real.

Read my previous post as to whether or not I care to look them up for you.

While your there re-reading that post, look for the part that states whether it makes any difference in Alphas arguement anyway. And don't forget the part where I state my need to prove anything on the subject.


Thanks.

[AGD_kid]

ok lets all calm down, have some coffee, and go kill some drifters.

[RogueFactor]

Originally Posted by RRfireblade

The ones I'm familiar with predate AGDs and Tippmans. You think I happen to know the Patent numbers of all 3 off the top of my head? Get real.

Read my previous post as to whether or not I care to look them up for you.

While your there re-reading that post, look for the part that states whether it makes any difference in Alphas arguement anyway. And don't forget the part where I state my need to prove anything on the subject.

Thanks.

Seems like you seem to know everything off the top of your head...except the facts. Hard to believe you dont have the numbers...

Day late, dollar short

[RRfireblade]

Huh? Off the top of my head can still be quoting fact.

Why do you think I have any number of miscilaneous Patent numbers memorized for total recall while I'm at home on the weekend? Geez, something crawl up your butt today or are you just trying to start an arguement for no possible reason?

I'm not sure what you being a day late and dollar short have to do with anything other than that IS yet another proven fact. but thanks for bringing it up for those over here to enjoy.

[RogueFactor]

Originally Posted by RRfireblade

Huh? Off the top of my head can still be quoting fact.

Why do you think I have any number of miscilaneous Patent numbers memorized for total recall while I'm at home on the weekend? Geez, something crawl up your butt today or are you just trying to start an arguement for no possible reason?

I'm not sure what you being a day late and dollar short have to do with anything other than that IS yet another proven fact. but thanks for bringing it up for those over here to enjoy.

For being a guy who doesnt care, you sure do seem to reply allot

[Zedaine]

Originally Posted by AGD_kid

ok lets all calm down, have some coffee, and go kill some drifters.

Let them have their fun, I'm enjoying it.

[RRfireblade]

Originally Posted by Zedaine

Let them have their fun, I'm enjoying it.

Oh, it's all in good fun. Don't worry. For instance...

Originally Posted by RogueFactor

For being a guy who doesnt care, you sure do seem to reply allot

Just in response to your unprovoked personal attacks on me. Is that why you joined PBF? Just start problems? We don't need that over here thank you very much.

And just cause proving you wrong is so much fun...

PTPs

Originally Posted by USPTO

Filed on NOV 21, 2000

Tippmann RT

Originally Posted by USPTO

Filed on APR 27, 2001

AGD's only Assisted specific patent, which we sold them and is the basis for the Emag frame hasn't made it out of application form yet.

Tom's only predating Patent (1997) that includes a trigger function of this type is the Original RT Valve system and not trigger specific. The asssisted trigger part of that Patent is based on the intregal design of the valve system (RT) and carrys no weight on a stand alone invention.In fact it was one of the many patents (most of which un-informed people on the net are arguing was prior art) that was referenced to make PTPs case for their initial Patent filing.

Anything else I can do for you or have you had enuff for today?

[RogueFactor]

Originally Posted by RRfireblade

Anything else I can do for you or have you had enuff for today?

Still waiting for those numbers...

[RRfireblade]

Originally Posted by RogueFactor

Still waiting for those numbers...

Find them yourself.

Your a smart guy, I think you can figure out the USPTO search function.

[BigEvil]

SYDARMS @ 20 PACES!!!!!

[RogueFactor]

Originally Posted by RRfireblade

Just in response to your unprovoked personal attacks on me. Is that why you joined PBF? Just start problems? We don't need that over here thank you very much.

Which part did you take personally Jay, I was only stating an observation.

I observed one member(Fireblade) bullying another(Alpha) without facts or reference to any. With no intention of providing those facts or references(after having been given multiple opportunities to do so).

When asked for these facts and/or references, you took on a negative tone. You doing that just to start problems? We dont need that over here thank you very much.

Originally Posted by RRfireblade

And just cause proving you wrong is so much fun...

PTPs
Originally Posted by USPTO
Filed on NOV 21, 2000

Tippmann RT
Originally Posted by USPTO
Filed on APR 27, 2001

Without knowing which patents you are referring to specifically, I can only infer which patents you are referring to by the dates provided. Given the current *facts* youve provided, Id say your off by a whole year Jay.

Tippmann Trigger assist mechanism and method, Patent # - 6,550,468

Originally Posted by USPTO
Filed on APR 27, 2001

PTP Assisted trigger mechanism, Patent # - 6,802,305

Originally Posted by USPTO
Filed on NOV 21, 2001

It appears that Tippmann's pre-dates PTP's by about 6 months. I know you didnt change the year just to appear right, but being a whole year off is hard to over-look wouldnt you say? For being as familiar with your own companies patents as you say you are, we will be gracious and call it a typo if youd like

Originally Posted by QUOTE=RRfireblade

Anything else I can do for you or have you had enuff for today?

See, we both know that the patent numbers prove the sequence of filing date...which is likely why you didnt want to provide them. Unless your referring to a different patent? In which case, please provide those numbers so that we can verify that you have the facts

Nah, its all in good fun....Youve proved me wrong with those facts of yours yet again Ive had enough for today

[RRfireblade]

There's the reference date for that Patent. First paragraph of your finding which ws one of the later provisionals.I guess I shouldn't have assumed you could work the Search feature.

Therefore I was correct as stated. Nothing over looked other than you not reading the top of the page.

And I was not bullying anyone, just making him aware the he was open to an infrigment lawsuit should the patent holders decided to enforce. They likely wouldn't but a court appearance a day lawyer cost would be enough to hurt him finacially more than I think he would be prepared for.

CROSS-REFERENCE TO RELATED APPLICATION

The present application is based on and claims priority to U.S. Provisional Patent Application Ser. No. 60/252,230, filed on Nov. 21, 2000

But thanks again, I didn't think I could get you again in the same day but woopie for me.

[RogueFactor]

Excellent, now we are getting into the details....

Originally Posted by RRfireblade

There's the reference date for that Patent. First paragraph of your finding which ws one of the later provisionals.I guess I shouldn't have assumed you could work the Search feature.

Therefore I was correct as stated. Nothing over looked other than you not reading the top of the page.

And I was not bullying anyone, just making him aware the he was open to an infrigment lawsuit should the patent holders decided to enforce. They likely wouldn't but a court appearance a day lawyer cost would be enough to hurt him finacially more than I think he would be prepared for.

CROSS-REFERENCE TO RELATED APPLICATION

The present application is based on and claims priority to U.S. Provisional Patent Application Ser. No. 60/252,230, filed on Nov. 21, 2000

But thanks again, I didn't think I could get you again in the same day but woopie for me.

Oh wow, a provisional application? Lets see...

"A provisional application for patent is a U. S. national application for patent filed in the USPTO under 35 U.S.C. §111(b). It allows filing without a formal patent claim, oath or declaration, or any information disclosure (prior art) statement."

Oops, lets not forget...

"Since provisional patent applications are easy to file, not to mention the fact that they carry the name 'provisional', a fair number of these applications may be hastily drafted. If regular patent applications with fuller disclosures are not filed until the one year time period for filing a regular application is nearly expired, other parties may file conflicting applications (with better disclosures) in the interim and the first-to-file party may well loose in a contest with the second-to-file party if the disclosure of its provisional application is deemed inadequate to support the claims of its subsequently filed regular application."

Can anyone say Tippmann filed a full regular patent disclosure before PTP?

See fellas, the Devil is in the details....always question the *facts*!

No, thank you again. Its been a pleasure.

[AGD_kid]

Q= The difference between Us and PBN? A= ^^^ That is how we "settle arguments".

[RRfireblade]

The facts have been clearly stated. I'm sorry your so lost on this one, it's really quite simple.

And it's a shame to see you go down in flames like this...again.

Let me try and enlighten you one more time.

The initial provisional filing is what secures the the date of priority on the Patent if and when it grants.If you don't file a formal Patent in a years time, you lose the date.

That where the date comes from silly boy and wht get's you priority in a court of law.

That's the whole point of the provisional in the first place , to secure the date of priority while you prepare the full application. If Tippmann had filed a provisional prior to the date on thier patent it woould have the same priority date on it. But they don't and they therefore have later priority...as been stated.

"based on claims Priority to..." Says it all.

[RRfireblade]

FYI, this sold as a 7 figure licensing deal to arguably the largest company in paintball. Trust me, their Patent attornys know a thing or 2 about Patent law.

[Meekajahama]

i dont think i ever saw u two post so much in a short period of time =D

[AGD_kid]

i never thought i would see a carrot and potato play an x-box... i'm still waiting.