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**counterstrike53** · September 6th, 05:58 PM

When you go to your local field or play in a tournament, do you ever feel outgunned because you have a mag, and your going up against ramping electros that can shoot 20+ bps where as you can only shoot 6-9? (with the exception of people like alpha and fireblade who have really really fast mags, or anybody with ult and a decent trigger frame and trigger for that matter)

i really dont feel outgunned, but alot of people expect that i would. personally i think only having 7 bps at your fingertips improves your game, where as people who have 20+ may never learn some skills that people with a slight disadvantage would, such as good snapshooting, and learning when to move, and where to move. thinking about all of this kinda makes me want a pump, just so i can get better faster, and prepare for any upcoming tournies i might be getting into, so when i learn some stuff i can switch back to my regular gun and hopefully own.

opinions anybody?

***barjohn*** · September 6th, 07:00 PM

I have a mag becuase i like the simplicity of it and it happens to be the gun i have from a while ago. i shoot fast enough and i dont play speedball so i tihnk im good. if you plan on going into speedball tournaments then BPS is most important.

**counterstrike53** · September 6th, 07:12 PM

i've been playing speedball with it for a while. bps doesn't matter hardly at all in the woods. infact alot of the woodsballers have tippys and such, so i actually feel like i have the advantage in the woods.

**Zeruel** · September 6th, 08:08 PM

The only time I feel outgunned is when my freind puts his DM5 in ramp mode... Other than that, even with my 13bps hyperframe, I have no problem doing decent. 13bps Is more than enough IMHO.

CC

**Zedaine** · September 6th, 08:20 PM

Theres really no need to shoot over 13 BPS unless your playing back, I don't see front players bunkering people at 20 BPS :P

**splatwithhonor3** · September 6th, 08:21 PM

I play a pump whenever I have to play woodsball. Improves my snapshooting and overall game immensely. Plus its always fun to own with a pump.

Alpha · September 6th, 08:43 PM

Umm.. Only classic mags are limited to 6-9bps.

Retros can easily hit 15 legally.

**rivit** · September 6th, 09:47 PM

id like to have a mag one day..

**t33kyboy** · September 7th, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha

Retros can easily hit 15 legally.

Alpha · September 7th, 06:39 AM

ULT anyone?

No ULT? Fine. Fan that mofo.

http://www.zakvetter.com/pages/pb/z-..._Mech_ROF.html

Perhaps the word Easily should not have been used as freely, I dont know about other people's sausage fingers, but I can pretty much top out at speeds close to that.

But the truth hurts, doesn't it.

http://www.zakvetter.com/Videos/Z-ma...Mech%20ROF.mov

***BigEvil*** · September 7th, 09:30 AM

I played this past Sunday... at one point every player at the place was crammed onto one field... it was like a chineese fire drill. One of my friends looked at me and said "lane?" so we both just stood back, when the game started and opened up. He was using one of the ref's brand new Egos (which is very impressive, btw). I was using my Warp fed Xmag. Im sure he wasnt ramping.. and I was shooting just as fast as he was. We both emptied our halos at just about the exact same time.

My brother also broke out his Classic RT for most of the day. He did well with it. He did prefer to use my Etac later on when the competition stiffened.

Feel outgunned? Not too often. I do get envious of all of those ramping guns though.. which should be remedied when my Predators arrive.

**Snip3r** · September 7th, 09:48 AM

Shoots over 6-99

Alpha · September 7th, 09:57 AM

Has rogue parts too

***maggot6*** · September 7th, 04:02 PM

I use a phantom most of the time, and I don't feel outgunned. Now how does that make you feel?

When I use any mag, from emag to classic I never feel outgunned. 7 bps is plenty fast, and 13-14 with an emag is well, too fast in my opinion

**counterstrike53** · September 7th, 04:27 PM

i know. i said i dont feel outgunned. i dont feel the need to waste THAT much paint. but all my friends are like "dude yeah we have electros and you have a mech, we understand how you feel when we played speedball with our spyders."

thats in a way dissin my mag. i should whack them.

and alpha, how can i hit 15 legally without a ult? even fanning like crazy i can't hit 15. i would walk it but its sorta got a 3 pound pull.

Alpha · September 7th, 04:34 PM

Watch Zak Vetter's movie.

Like I said, some people have pudgy sausage fingers, some people have slender, muscular filangies (like myself).

**AGD_kid** · September 7th, 07:38 PM

get a hyperframe with pred board, and call me in the morning.

if you still feel out guned, get a pump and start over. lol

**chaoticprophecy** · September 7th, 08:20 PM

Mike you pwn with your mag. It is very trusty lol. You rip faces and you should never feel outgunned.

**counterstrike53** · September 7th, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGD_kid

get a hyperframe with pred board, and call me in the morning.

if you still feel out guned, get a pump and start over. lol

believe me, if hyperframes were compatible with retro valves, i would have had one already.

and i never felt outgunned in the first place.

i really dont feel outgunned, but alot of people expect that i would - me from the first post. sorry i had to do that ^ but i dont know how to put in more than one quote in a reply.

**AGD_kid** · September 7th, 10:48 PM

unless you mean old old classic RTs, then the hyperframe will work with anything else (except sydarms).