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Old June 5th, 2012, 07:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Getting back into paintball and have some questions about my automag?

My buddy is trying to get me back into paintball, so I went in my attic and found my old guns. I have 2 68 automags that have been sitting for over 10 years and I want to use them again. My gun has a serial number of CF19549 and I use to run nitrogen through it. I have a few questions on what to do since Ive noticed that paintball guns have changed allot. First other than buying a new o-ring kit is there anything else I should do to the gun? Also I need to know if I can run compressed air or co2 in my nitro set up? Someone had mentioned a long time ago that I should have my tank redone? Anyone ever heard of that? I dont know that name of the nitrogen set up but it sit under the grip and has a guage built into it.

Are these still good guns in comparison to whats out there now? I just found out that there are fully auto guns now is my mag still good to play with or is everyone using the full auto stuff?

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Old June 5th, 2012, 07:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Your 68's will be just fine with a little maintenance. (o-rings, oil, etc...) The newer guns may be able to shoot faster than you, but other than that it will be the same. The guns now can shoot 30 balls per second, but the fields usually limit them to 12 bps anyway.

As for the Tank, they mean you need to have it hydro tested(hydrostatic testing). They test it to make sure it doesn't leak and is has good strength. The problem, because your tank is over 10 years old, it may have "expired". So they place may deny or fail the tank automatically.

You could run this on C02 if you have an anti-syphon tube installed in your tank, but I would suggest sticking with compressed air.

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I don't know of any place that will hydro a tank that old that hasn't been kept up to date.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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heck yes get the mag running!

if all your gear has been sitting for 10 years, besides the tank most likely being useless as mentioned above id also get a new mask, new masks have come a LONG way and a lot better than they once were not to mention im not certain i would trust my safety to something that has been sitting in an attic for that long

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Does the lens on masks deteriorate over time? I never thought of that.... mmm
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It does. You should replace lenses that are over 2 years REGARDLESS of what it looks like.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks to all that responded, im excited to get back into the game.

I need to get a repair kit to replace all the o-rings can someone point me in the right direction. I use to pay like 8 bucks for these and its looking like im going to be paying way more for it from what I have searched. Anyone know where I can get one for cheap?

Also anyone recommend any upgrades I should make to the gun?
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If you're going to run strictly n2/hpa, if you don't already have a level 10 I'd get that myself. I think it was Riddler was saying he actually prefers the simplicity (and slightly better efficiency) of level 7. The ULE trigger (ultra light engineering trigger) kit's neat, and if you want to show off your mad trigger skills on a mech, allows you to cycle it faster than most other mechs. It is recommended to only use with level 10 though. No clue why, I've never installed one to say if that's just to get more money or because that's actually useful advice.

Other than that, really, unless you want to spend a ton, I'd say just use it as it is and enjoy it.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 11:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm also getting back into paintball after a long hiatus. All my guns have been in storage for about a decade and I was also wondering where a good source of O-rings might be for them...since I'm guessing they are basically shot after gathering cobwebs for 10 years.



Here's the collection, for those who are curious. I broke them out recently, and was pleasantly surprised to discover I remembered how to take them down for cleaning.

Also; everything I've heard is telling me that all I have to do to convert to compressed air is buy a tank and screw it in. Is this true? I looked at my old remote line and the hose is clearly stamped "2500 psi" and I know most guns run at 3000-4500.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:43 AM   #10 (permalink)
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That's a delicious little sample of the 90's you have there.

Compressed air tanks all have regulators that reduce the 3000 or 4500 psi of stored air down to a useable pressure, generally ranging from 200-1100 psi, depending on the specific model.

I personally don't know that I'd bother with compressed air - the markers you have all love CO2. If your local field still fills CO2 tanks (sadly, some do not), I would probably just pick up a new $20 bottle. Down the road, if you want to try out the more modern guns, you might need to make the change, but you're good for now.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:59 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah HPA is a waste of time with those markers my collection is a lot like yours. PPS will have the seals for the PGP, ICD no longer makes markers but sells rebuild kits, Tippmannparts will have the orings you need for the Tippmann and the last semi looks like a Mokal Titan and Mokal still sells parts and makes new markers. I can't tell what that first pump is Nelsons all look the same.
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I'm pretty sure that nelson is a phantom.. which will be easy to find parts for as they are still in production (its the only gun shown their that has survived).
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Old June 20th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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o-rings @ oring monkey

or any hardware store
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Old June 20th, 2012, 08:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Just got back from the local shop...apparently they do not fill C02, just air. However, they'll let me use one of their rental tanks so I can try HPA with my Pro-Lite. Time for a trip to the hardware store for new O-rings, as soon as I find out which ones I need (the old ones are so shriveled up that a simple size comparison probably won't work). Also, a side trip to Fasteners Inc is necessary as my Pro-Lite is short two screws (nothing important, but not having them is annoying).

Thanks for the advice, guys...but since I've gotten conflicting advice on using HPA with old guns (some people I know IRL say it works great, you guys say its a waste of time) I'm going to try it myself and see what performance I get, now that I know my gun won't blow up if I do, and that I basically can't get C02 in my area.

This week, gun repair. Next week, play time.
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Hpa will work just fine on your markers. My thoughts were just that spending the money on a tank wasn't necessary if you could get local co2 fills. Unlike new electros, your particular markers can use either air source.
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Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, they don't do C02 fills. Also, they have this "museum" area where they display guns of yesteryear...I'm negotiating with them to trade a couple of my old guns for a new air tank and a mask. Since I don't really need five guns, I can probably modernize without too much out-of-pocket expense. They really want my PGP for their wall, but I'm not sure if I want to part with it if there's any chance of getting it working again.

My main reason for wanting to keep the Pro-Lite is the ergonomics. I'm tall and have long arms; most markers are just too short for comfort. Now how the fat HPA tanks are going to play into that I don't know, but we'll see. I'm just glad the local shop is willing to let me rent a tank so I can experiement. Maybe a gas-thru stock and a remote hose...?

Oh god, the gear addiction begins again.
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HPA should be okay but speaking from personal experience be prepared for low velocity problems at best and the markers not recocking at worst.
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@Crawdaddy: I will keep that in mind. Any special adjustments I should be prepared to make (other than the velocity screw, obviously)?

So anyhow...have to go shopping for O-rings, which means shopping at the local hardware store. Don't want to walk in the door with an armload of guns, don't want to buy the wrong O-rings and don't want to try and remember which O-ring goes to what gun. My solution...



(Ignore the weird commentary on some of the labels, that was my GF's contribution)

Gonna take all these bags to the hardware store, figure out what goes where, then go home and embark on an epic session of marker re-assembly. Genius, Y/N?
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@Crawdaddy: I will keep that in mind. Any special adjustments I should be prepared to make (other than the velocity screw, obviously)?

So anyhow...have to go shopping for O-rings, which means shopping at the local hardware store. Don't want to walk in the door with an armload of guns, don't want to buy the wrong O-rings and don't want to try and remember which O-ring goes to what gun. My solution...



(Ignore the weird commentary on some of the labels, that was my GF's contribution)

Gonna take all these bags to the hardware store, figure out what goes where, then go home and embark on an epic session of marker re-assembly. Genius, Y/N?
Not to steal Craw's thunder - but it may be easier to try to locate your marker through 0-ring monkey (check a google search for them). They'll generally include full rebuilds for markers and shipping is reasonable. You can throw lube on there, and I generally feel I'm getting what I paid for it. Just a suggestion - but ... otherwise - your solution isn't bad at all.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 02:36 AM   #20 (permalink)
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well crap, i was going to say just pick up a standard players kit of o-rings that has a little bit of everything in it and you should be set but it seems nobody is selling those right now

not that i can find anyway but it is 12:30am....
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