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**Zedaine** · June 9th, 04:10 PM

Z-man tests out his new victory board with his E-mag, he turns off his ACE (anti-chop eye) so only the level 10 anti-chop bolt is the only thing that wont allow it to break paint. He then tests it against a viking with the vikings eye on... wanna know what happens? Watch this video.

http://www.zakvetter.com/videos/Victory_Testing.mov

Z-man says this video will be gone in a couple days so you all better watch it quick, its 30 MB but its worth the wait.

**KingFikiElectra** · June 9th, 04:17 PM

That thing ripped! Im suprised the viking sucked as bad as it did in the vid. Really weird? Vikings are ussually much better then that. And that was crap paint. Regardless the Mag won that battle. Pretty nice Zedaine

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**Shytkicker** · June 9th, 04:19 PM

lol awesome.

My X Valve RT is comming back in the mail as we speak.

**Mangobutter** · June 9th, 04:28 PM

hehe crap paint, the guy with the viking was wereing no mask ut oh ut oh ut ho

**Zedaine** · June 9th, 04:40 PM

And soon z-man will have his classic rt mag hooked up to a scuba tank with a direct input of 3000 PSI to make his rt pro rapid fire at a rate of 34 CPS, he is gonna put his victory board halo to the real test

Btw, if you all haven't seen the video of Z-man hooking his classic rt to his 2200 psi scuba tank with no regulator here is the link http://www.zakvetter.com/Videos/ClassicRT-RF.mov . It's worth watching. He gets an average CPS of 34.

**anxiouspaintblr** · June 9th, 04:58 PM

thats pretty cool. BUT i think the guy with the viking was firing a lil faster...dont you?

**HP_lovecraft** · June 9th, 05:02 PM

I didn't see much of a difference.

You guys realize that the Lvl10 Mag still fires when it gets a pinched ball? It just vents the gas so the bolt does not slice the ball, but it still makes a "pop" sound.

With the ACE, the difference is there is no "pop" without the ball. So, the mag fired at the same speed as the timmy. All that was shown is that the Mags mechanical anti-chop lvl10 is not as effecient as an electronic ACE system.
Not really a big deal.
Not much different then the mechanical system used on my cockers.

Nick

**Mangobutter** · June 9th, 05:05 PM

ok newb question .... some one had to say it what is lvl 10 and all that shizz

**Zedaine** · June 9th, 05:11 PM

The level 10 is an anti-chop bolt for mags, its all mechanical. It's what is in my RT Pro mag and most everyone elses mags right now. E-mags have both an ACE (anti-chop eye) and level 10 bolt. But Z-man turned off his ACE for testing reasons, so only the mechanical anti-chop eye was making it so it wasn't breaking paint. And so this video shows that the level 10 antichop bolt really does do better than a vikings anti chop eye.

No0bIe_PaIntBal · June 9th, 05:21 PM

lesson that i got from that..... dont use crappy paint

**sNoW PIrAnHa** · June 9th, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Zedaine
And so this video shows that the level 10 antichop bolt really does do better than a vikings anti chop eye.

No it doesnt it just shows that vikings break more crappy paint than mags. I would still get PDS so you dont waste air when its not feeding fast enough. Also I dont think its fair to blame it on the gun for not getting balls down quick enough, those halos need new boards or something, because thats what prevents chops.

**Zedaine** · June 9th, 05:40 PM

Accourding to the video, they both had victory boards in their halos.
And theres not too much to worry about wasting air if you've paid for all day air.

**StealthRT** · June 9th, 07:21 PM

Ah not to rain on the parade here, but you can see every single little break on the viking because you can see the gun and 3 feet in front of the barrel, on the Mag you can hardly see the barrel tip, much less any distance in front of the barrel...The halo will feed right thru breaks, so you have no idea if its choping or not....Just becuase its firing doesn't mean its not chopping. Most of the viking breaks looked more like barrel breaks due to crappy paint and not so much chops. A Halo V35 will outfeed that viking for sure, even with the eyes off, that thing should be reasonably hard pressed to chop..

**TAW** · June 10th, 12:55 AM

A little more on the workings of the L10 bolt.

The air chamber on the mag holds 400psi. That pushes on the bolt stem and when the sear releases the bolt it moves forwards like a cork in a bottle (pop).

The old L7 bolt had a larger bolt stem = more force pushing on the stem. L7 bolts were brutal on brittle paint.

The L10 bolt has two stages on the stem. The first stage of the stem is smaller = less force. That means that bolt moves slower when its first released making it very gentle on brittle paint. If for some reason something stops it (pinched ball/tongue) it vents all its air and reseats (thats the pfft sound you here once and a while in the vid). If not it hits the second stage,the normal sized bolt stem. When that happens it speeds up to the normal bolt speed and then fires.

Level 10 bolts makes the Mag a whole new marker. Last season my wife and I had ZERO chops or barrel breaks. I just took the extra time to set up the L10 and match my paint to my barrel.

All that and no batteries required!!!

**Shytkicker** · June 13th, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by StealthRT
Ah not to rain on the parade here, but you can see every single little break on the viking because you can see the gun and 3 feet in front of the barrel, on the Mag you can hardly see the barrel tip, much less any distance in front of the barrel...The halo will feed right thru breaks, so you have no idea if its choping or not....Just becuase its firing doesn't mean its not chopping. Most of the viking breaks looked more like barrel breaks due to crappy paint and not so much chops. A Halo V35 will outfeed that viking for sure, even with the eyes off, that thing should be reasonably hard pressed to chop..

Well, except that you would see the paint comming out the porting in Zak's Boomstick (autospirit?). Which didn't evidence it at all.

And, really, you could even HEAR the viking barfing out paint. PA-PA-PA-PA-BWAAAAGFH! pa-pa-PA-PA_BWAAARFH! pa-pa-pa... pa... barf!

In all fairness, Zak used a paint-matched All American on the viking, and what appears to be a boomstick on his mag. So there may have been extra friction on the viking. But I'm not sure it would have been much diffirent.

Tell you what. Either way? I'm glad that AGD is on MY side. I dunno about the rest of you.

**jordisdrummer** · June 22nd, 11:14 PM

the whole argument here is that the lvl 10 is completely mechanical, without the help an electronic eye. So, if we think rationally, we can see that if a piece of machinery that lacks an electronic sensor and relys purely on mechanical power(like potential and kinetic energy)and still does not cut the balls. Therefore we can deduce that there is no need in making an electronic upgrade that costs twice as much to perform the same task(at lower quality) as a solid, non-electronic, machined part. simply put, maybe tradition and enginuity wins over electronics and the "space age technology". i dont mean to sound cocky or smart but just sit and think about the difference in the two parts.

**tippmannpimper** · June 23rd, 12:34 PM

damnit, i got to see this video but it wont work someone send it to me

**tippmannpimper** · June 23rd, 07:58 PM

Finally watched it, for one the viking was shooting faster over the time period, two they were all barrel breaks and not inside the gun, and 3 HE's LIEING its an 03, 04's have a curved off portion where the barrel goes in, that is straight up and down as in the 03's

**MovingTarget** · June 23rd, 08:15 PM

I got both

hehehhehe

**Zedaine** · June 23rd, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by tippmannpimper
HE's LIEING its an 03, 04's have a curved off portion where the barrel goes in, that is straight up and down as in the 03's

Yes he did lie, he said on the AO forums he made a goof and that it was a 03 and not really a 04.