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**Zedaine** · July 31st, 03:24 PM

By Nicad on 7-29-04
I guess you could call this an update-
It seems this is the year of mechanicals coming out and we are having to make sure we arent stepping on anyones toes now. :-/

I am aware of two seperate other companies who are working on or are already have "fast" mechcanical technology useing pneumatics. I spoke with Garfield with G-force paintball (some of you might have seen thier "68super" gun at IAO) and he is very recepitve to the hAir, and we dont see any conflicts arising between us.

The other company that I am aware of (who from what I understand wishes to remain anonymous at this point??) might need to be legally worked out. We have made contact and have our lawyers looking it all over as I speak. Please dont ask specifics about this.. since right now I cant say more than that.

This is all happened very recently, as in during and post-IAO. At IAO I was telling every one aprox 2 weeks for our protection to be adequatly in place.. now that is back up in the air.
Trust me we are working on this to get it out to yall as fast as possible.. nobody benifets from it taking a long time!

As always I will be keeping yall posted as this progesses..

out!

**Zedaine** · August 13th, 01:39 PM

Finally an update

By Nicad on 8-13 (Today)

over-due update:

I have a "final" meeting with the lawyers which was scheduled for Monday the 9th. something came up on their end and we had to postpone. As soon as we get this last meeting taken care of and everything squared away, things should be able to start moving forward.

wantamag- I dont know who told you that it requires a ULT, but they were very mistaken.

Yes we re-vamped Deadlywind.com just before IAO. No announcement yet since its still slightly under construction.. but for the most part it and an "online store" for the bodies is live.

out!

**Fastecho419** · August 13th, 01:50 PM

Yes!!

**xmagman** · August 18th, 02:05 PM

So I take it the hAir trigger wont work on an X-mag or E-mag. If it wont I'll just have to buy a ULE Custom and put it on there.

**t33kyboy** · August 18th, 02:13 PM

Yes it would work with the xmag and emag, you would just have to buy a new sear assembly and on/off pin... but why would you?

**IMPULSEMAN101** · August 18th, 04:48 PM

How Much$$$$$

**RRfireblade** · August 18th, 08:24 PM

~$300 was the best guess.

**xmagman** · August 19th, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t33kyboy

Yes it would work with the xmag and emag, you would just have to buy a new sear assembly and on/off pin... but why would you?

I was just curious. I'm not going to get the hAir for my X-mag....I'm happy with the way it is minus a few adjustments.

**RRfireblade** · August 26th, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AGD

Don't think that there isn't huge legal hastles with the HAIR trigger either. The average player doesn't think all this affects him but after its too late they will find out it does.

All development on the hair trigger is at a dead stop right now.

AGD

**IMPULSEMAN101** · August 26th, 05:58 PM

I dont Fill Like paying 350 Max for that trigger... Im Kinda thinking about selling my mag..

***MedicDVG*** · August 26th, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGD

All development on the hair trigger is at a dead stop right now

Damn man... I think that Shakespeare was right when he said to "kill all the lawyers."

**Starman33** · September 5th, 08:04 PM

I had created an account and replied only for having mail notifications

**Fastecho419** · September 10th, 07:22 PM

Wait up, so does that mean the E-mag can have the Deadlywind? Or are us E-mag owners being deprived? (And the X-mag guys too.)

**t33kyboy** · September 10th, 07:25 PM

The emag/xmag is the same as a rt mag except with a different bottum and on/off. Just switch the on/off and put the hair trigger on and it'll work.

**RRfireblade** · September 10th, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fastecho419

Wait up, so does that mean the E-mag can have the Deadlywind? Or are us E-mag owners being deprived? (And the X-mag guys too.)

With all due respect, any of my "E" or Xmags w/ 3.2 software and it's shot buffering capability along with the ACE will smoke ANY mechanical frame,period. That's pretty much true of any decent electro.There's more to the speed of a marker and the ability to shoot it fast than just a short trigger pull.

If done properly,as in not exessively complicated (high potential for failure)and if offered at a reasonable cost (less than an electro) ,a trigger system of that type 'could' be a nice alternative for an electro but it will never replace one. And unfortunatley the DW offers neither of those options.

IMO.

sslecyk03 · September 10th, 08:34 PM

i may have misread but i think you just said that an electro has more benefits over mech besides being able to shoot faster. Do tell, what could they possibly be?

**RRfireblade** · September 10th, 09:13 PM

Hey,

In my opinion they do. For starters,the average person will be able to shoot a good electro faster and easier than a Mech,regardless of trigger pull weight.

Can you pull 15bps? Some can, some can't.

Can you pull 15bps in absolutely perfect pulls @ 1/15th of a second? Virtually impossible but not even neccessary on a decent electro.

To use Mags as an example,older software Emags (ex. 1.37) are capped at 16bps with no shot buffer.What's that means is the the average or better human will never break 14bps due to less than absolute perfect trigger pulls @ 16-17bps. 3.2 which offers a shot buffer (as does WAS and most 'faster' electros) if set to 16bps that same person,pulling that exact same way will likely shoot 16+bps,typically just a hair over.

Mechs obviously don't and can't have a shot buffer,not to mention 'questionable' other enhancements like dbounce and ramping that, like it or not, are standard in serious Tourny play.Add to that the growing acceptance of such enhancements to be considered legal in certain degrees and electro wins again.

Electronic ACE (a good break beam system).......IMO smokes the Level 10 in performance.Try ripping with a slow or malfunctioning hopper and L10. Sure, no chops but also a TON of stutters,stumbles and long lags between shots while the L10 resets.Do the same on the electro and you get a very nice and consistant,altho slower, stream of paint at what ever ROF the hopper can give you which will definately be faster the L10 Mech. Add to that the fine line between reliable function and being ultra soft on fragile Tourny paint and the L10 can become a liability on the field.(Trust me tho, if there's no other option, I praise the L10 for what it can do even if limited)

Also, there is no way to cap Mech. Doesn't seem like a big deal till you start seeing leagues adding caps (which is currently stating to happen)which leaves you at the large risk of 'guessing' at your ROF at the risk of a DQ on the field.Add to that the case I stated above of a defective or broken hopper and the electro wins again.

How about just basic electronic marker control? Adjust the dwell on your Mag for best efficiency.....can't. Adjust bolt position and timing for best feeding of paint based on the hopper used......can't. Automatically adjust ROF based on the feeding of paint(need ACE)........can't.

So....it's not that I'm totally against Mechs or all Pro Electro but there are obvious and perhaps not so obvious differences between the 2 that will not allow one to replace the other in every situation. The issue BIG issue IMO is cost, if the hAir was the example, it will be nearly the cost of a complete ULE RTPRO and it's only an upgrade.For the cost of those 2 items you could easily buy a very nive electro and have money left over for all the accessories you'll need and maybe some paint.

I'll let you tell me why that is such a 'good' thing.

sslecyk03 · September 10th, 10:22 PM

Alright, you make good points, and i respect your opinion, especially YOUR opinion, very highly. But it is exactly what i say it is, an opinion.

Heres the thing, im gonna eliminate the parts about electros shooting faster because i asked for reasons other than that. With the ACE, thats an opinion. I do remember in an earlier thread that you said you sometimes dont even use the eyes on ur x-mag because the lvl 10 works just that good, correct me if im wrong?

For the part about the slower loader. If you are outshooting your hopper or own one that loads inconsistantly, that is hardly something that could be considered a con for the mechs. If you run a halo i doubt u will be outshooting it or getting inconsistant loading of the balls.

Also, what if you have a defective hopper. I was never too big on "what if's." Tell me this: What if you break one of your eyes? who wins? mech
What if a paint chip blocks one your eyes? mech again
What if your eyes cant see the a paint (reflective, not all electros have breakbeam) ? who wins? mech

now you see my point. Mech can also have its advantages

what if you blow out your board, what if a wire comes loose, theres soo many i can list as well.

Now, i dont know about you but i have never felt the need to or ever wish that i could adjust my bolt for better timing or to adjust dwell to be more efficient. If you want to throw down an extra few hundred to have that, be my guest.

I know that electros have alot of good things about them, as do mechs. Its purely preference and can be argued one way or the other but my opinion is still going towards the mechs.

**RRfireblade** · September 11th, 12:08 AM

I pretty much agree which is why I had added this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrfireblade

So....it's not that I'm totally against Mechs or all Pro Electro but there are obvious and perhaps not so obvious differences between the 2 that will not allow one to replace the other in every situation.

But just for the sake of a fun convo

I'll add some rebuttal.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by sslecyk03

Alright, you make good points, and i respect your opinion, especially YOUR opinion, very highly. But it is exactly what i say it is, an opinion.

I agree totally

Heres the thing, im gonna eliminate the parts about electros shooting faster because i asked for reasons other than that.

True, but don't forget this was in regards to the hAir trigger which only offers speed as a benefit in exchange for complexity and potentially less efficiency

With the ACE, thats an opinion. I do remember in an earlier thread that you said you sometimes dont even use the eyes on ur x-mag because the lvl 10 works just that good, correct me if im wrong?

You are correct,the difference there is the Xmag ACE is reflective (strike 1) and backed up by not very good eye logic(strike 2),therefore it's not the greatest ACE on it's own. Many Xmags Aces don't even work at all when brand new.

For the part about the slower loader. If you are outshooting your hopper or own one that loads inconsistantly, that is hardly something that could be considered a con for the mechs. If you run a halo i doubt u will be outshooting it or getting inconsistant loading of the balls.

Also, what if you have a defective hopper. I was never too big on "what if's." Tell me this: What if you break one of your eyes? who wins? mech

Since I can shut off the Eyes and adjust the ROF to suit the loader speed then I still say Electro or at best it's a Draw

What if a paint chip blocks one your eyes? mech again

See last response

What if your eyes cant see the a paint (reflective, not all electros have breakbeam) ? who wins? mech\

See last response

now you see my point. Mech can also have its advantages

I do and said so in my first post, See...I'm easy to get a long with

what if you blow out your board, what if a wire comes loose, theres soo many i can list as well.

Definately an Electro drawback. Don't forget water damage,bad batteries and simple software/hardware failure

Now, i dont know about you but i have never felt the need to or ever wish that i could adjust my bolt for better timing or to adjust dwell to be more efficient. If you want to throw down an extra few hundred to have that, be my guest.

Shoot a stock air guzzling Impulse or a 2k2 or older Timmy and you'd be thinking about it.But my response to that was my point about a good electro not really costing anymore than a loaded mech Mag. Add the hAir to that and your WAY up there in cost,that's why I'm not very impressed with it at all

I know that electros have alot of good things about them, as do mechs. Its purely preference and can be argued one way or the other but my opinion is still going towards the mechs.

Totally cool. For certain instances I'm Mech all the way also,very often it's a pump to boot.

And beyong that a Mag or better yet an Xmag, "The" Ultimate Sear Tripping Mechanical masquarading as an Electro.

Jay.