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**krazyimpulsekid** · May 20th, 08:34 AM

wich would be the better gun

ion

boblong torpedo reg
q lock feedneck
freak with aa tip
sp grips
checkit unimount
halob with rip drive and z-code

cocker
black prostock
eblade 2
st bolt
teardrop barrel
dye front block
st drop
32degrees on/off
stock reg
egg 2 (y board)

im wondering wich 1 would be the bettergun over all

**stococker** · May 20th, 08:43 AM

The cocker. It is faster, and it is just better.

**krazyimpulsekid** · May 20th, 08:56 AM

how is it faster than a ion

ion 17
cocker dont know

**chaoticprophecy** · May 20th, 12:52 PM

IMO get the ion. Faster lighter all around better.

**stococker** · May 20th, 01:46 PM

Eblades are uncapped. The speed depend on your pnuematics (sp?). The new eblades have ramping also.

**tippmannbeast** · May 20th, 05:26 PM

what position do you play?
front/mid= ion
back/rear mid= cocker
if you don't know what these mean= spyder

**stococker** · May 20th, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tippmannbeast

what position do you play?
front/mid= ion
back/rear mid= cocker
if you don't know what these mean= spyder

Yep that is true.

***DarkTamer*** · May 20th, 06:39 PM

Idk what ions are mechanically capped at, but w/ the stock board (which is what you apparently have been offered) is capped at 17 no matter what, while the cocker is capped at whatever speed the ram can cycle at, which on a dye ram, my guess would be somewhere around 20, and if you added QEVS you could probably get it to 30, and then you are all set for speed...

Plus the cocker is straight up better quality.

Only problem is, if something is out of whack (timing) then you either need prior knowledge w/ cockers, lots of mechanical skill and research time, or some extra cash ($30 sounds about right) to get it re-timed by your local pro-shop.

Good luck!

**butterjuice** · May 20th, 07:03 PM

stococker, umm ION has ramping stock
and IONs are fast and light and reliable and easy to clean
go with the ION

**stococker** · May 20th, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *SHOCKER*

stococker, umm ION has ramping stock
and IONs are fast and light and reliable and easy to clean
go with the ION

Yes, I am aware that they have ramping stock. I was just stating some facts so that the person who started this thread can make an educated decision.

**paintthecatBLUE** · May 20th, 07:37 PM

the starter of the thread stated he was getting an E2 if geting the cocker. in that case ramping is pretty much stock, E2's come with ramping. the only way it wouldnt be stock would be getting an E1 and then getting a zero b board.

but anyways, if money is not an issue definitely get the e-cocker. it will be much better quality and more of a head turner. everyone and their grandma has an ion, cockers are unique.

RB · May 20th, 08:09 PM

^^Truf, Ions are capped at 17 bps, ramping or not. The cocker...you can hit mid 20's w/ an e2, ive hit 25bps w/ the gun in my sig. Go cocker. Be diff, everyone has an ion, not many have e2'd prostocks.

-RB-

**tippmannbeast** · May 21st, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by drktamer

Idk what ions are mechanically capped at, but w/ the stock board (which is what you apparently have been offered) is capped at 17 no matter what, while the cocker is capped at whatever speed the ram can cycle at, which on a dye ram, my guess would be somewhere around 20, and if you added QEVS you could probably get it to 30, and then you are all set for speed...

Plus the cocker is straight up better quality.

Only problem is, if something is out of whack (timing) then you either need prior knowledge w/ cockers, lots of mechanical skill and research time, or some extra cash ($30 sounds about right) to get it re-timed by your local pro-shop.

Good luck!

If you're going to buy a cocker you should research about timing before you buy. And don't even consider trying to fix something on your 'broken' cocker before reading the stickies and finding out exactly what and where the problem is. (knowing how to fix it before you start unscrewing things would help too)

Also- DYE rams are terrible. Anything cocker related that DYE makes is a p.o.s. FF rams are faster, lighter, higher quality, and have a better warranty. Get QEV's if you're getting a FF ram; much faster and cleaner cycle.

Solution:
a) try to post in the thread you made more than once
b) get which ever marker suits your skill level/position/style of play

***DarkTamer*** · May 21st, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tippmannbeast

If you're going to buy a cocker you should research about timing before you buy. And don't even consider trying to fix something on your 'broken' cocker before reading the stickies and finding out exactly what and where the problem is. (knowing how to fix it before you start unscrewing things would help too)

Also- DYE rams are terrible. Anything cocker related that DYE makes is a p.o.s. FF rams are faster, lighter, higher quality, and have a better warranty. Get QEV's if you're getting a FF ram; much faster and cleaner cycle.

Solution:
a) try to post in the thread you made more than once
b) get which ever marker suits your skill level/position/style of play

Yes, but I still think the Dye ram could get you up to 20, it's gotta be better than the stock ram which gets you to around 17-18 (I think)... but yeah, do as much research as you can before buying a cocker. It might seem daunting at first, but it really ain't that bad... basic rule is, if it's working, then make sure everything is nice and locked down so it keeps working that way

**Cockerkid63** · May 21st, 09:51 PM

My cocker ive hit 28 bps with the eyes off and with bounce, but thats with an e1, but e2s are better than e1s, and if e1s are bad compared to an e2, and an e1 is better and faster than an ion, go with the cocker. <---If you understood that. Wow.

**paintthecatBLUE** · May 22nd, 11:39 AM

he basically said if he can hit 28 on an E1, imagine what you can do on an E2.

**Cockerkid63** · May 22nd, 12:16 PM

Ions are junk, thats what im trying to tell you. Id go with a e-99 over an ion. Ions are just a fad, then when the "NEXT big thing" comes out. They will be even more worthless than they already are.

**CH4OS** · May 22nd, 12:51 PM

id take the pro stock

**Labbmonkey** · May 22nd, 01:21 PM

why do u think fads happen? either because people are idiots and have to be like the cool kids, or the fad is a good thing. less than $300 for ramping, 17 bps, reliability, and durability? sounds good to me. if money is no issue, get the cocker. otherwise go with the ion.

**krazyimpulsekid** · May 22nd, 07:23 PM

thanks guys