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**iluvwpg** · September 7th, 08:05 PM

Whats the advantage of havin an auto-cocker over a cheaper (but not crappy) and less-complex semi?

**big_balla** · September 7th, 08:06 PM

None.

**Pyropenguin** · September 7th, 08:43 PM

Customizability. (is that a word?)

One autococker can be so much different than another one that started out as the same thing. There are turtle cockers, normal E cockers, pump cockers, semi's... and you can change everything on them.

Me and two of my friends have cockers, and the three are nothing alike. Thats why I like them.

**jaggy13** · September 7th, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by big_balla89

None.

wow, those are some words of wisdom balla.
if you not going to help out, then go back to the lounge.

as for an advantage over a "cheap semi" like balla's timmy for example.
Since he is so helpful and opinionated I will compare my cocker to his 2k2

My cocker is:
Lighter
faster
more accurate
has less recoil
Quieter

not to mention that mine is unique. ( I personally don't put alot of worth on cosmetics but some do.)

Balla does have way more posts than I do, and 8 coolness points too... so take my opinion for what its worth. I am also not AGG and make no guarentees that a cocker will be AGG ever.

Now if you were to compare an ebladed autococker to an ION or promaster, to guns that I would consider to be great starters you are going to spend more on a cocker for similar performance. vs the ion you will get a better fit and finish with a cocker and maybe a better over all feel. (I have not shot a promaster yet, but should be getting some soon, and I look forward to it.)

The long and short of it is, you need to go out and shoot alot of guns. then take your $300 - $600 and decide what suits your needs for the amount of $$ you have.

**big_balla** · September 7th, 11:22 PM

Cockers are out of date.

He asked what an advantage to having a cocker over a cheaper and faster semi. Cockers are semi, anyway. In my mind, there are none. They work entirely different than other guns, which means local tech help will be harder to find. You need HPA otherwise you will mess up the pneus and you'll have to time it more often, which is more expensive. And compared to 'a cheaper semi' is more expensive bcause most can use CO2.

I'm not retarted, I answered his question. I'm not agg, and post count has nothing to do with it.

I simply answered his question.

**jaggy13** · September 7th, 11:33 PM

its painfully obviouse that you know jack about cockers. cockers work just great on CO2 and timing is can be a pain if you don't take the 10 minutes to learn how to do it.
I choose cockers for a very simple reason. (I also have owned most high ends as well) I can work on them myself and even make parts for them myself, and have on many occasions now.

Your opinion is valuable as to why you choose not to go with a cocker and they are overpriced, and old, but not outdated. As I stated above my cocker will walk all over your beloved timmy. whats out dated about that? external pneumatics?

Do us all a favor and stick to topics you know. Don't throw guesses around like facts. and if you feel like I am being particuallry hard on you for one post, rest assured its not for just this one.

***DarkTamer*** · September 7th, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by big_balla89

He asked what an advantage to having a cocker over a cheaper and faster semi. Cockers are semi, anyway. In my mind, there are none. They work entirely different than other guns, which means local tech help will be harder to find. You need HPA otherwise you will mess up the pneus and you'll have to time it more often, which is more expensive. And compared to 'a cheaper semi' is more expensive bcause most can use CO2.

I haven't really seen any mech spyder or fish that could outgun a decent mech cocker in terms of speed (or in any other way for that matter). There is PLENTY of help for cockers, since they have been around forever, and any decent tech knows about them and can fix them. And any player that really wants to get serious about paintball, even in woodsball, will eventually invest in a HPA tank anyways.

**big_balla** · September 7th, 11:42 PM

I'm selling my 'beloved timmy.'

I was just saying that stock to stock... Cockers aren't superior.

He said, 'Whats the advantage of havin an auto-cocker over a faster and cheaper semi?'

And in my mind, if a gun is cheaper and faster then there can't be many advantages over it. And by the way he typed autococker, I figured he was a new player that didn't know alot about guns and wanted to point him in the direction of a good beginner gun. (aka not a cocker.)

I'm not trying to push your buttons, just explain myself.

EDIT: And drk... I didn't say there was a faster spyder than a mech cocker, I was just going by what he said. A 'cheaper faster semi.'

**jaggy13** · September 7th, 11:51 PM

so cheaper and faster is superior?
I would also disagree with that as well. The dragon TES was faster and cheaper than a lot of guns... hows that theroy working out for ya.

An autococker is quality over all else. (aside form some fockers) In my mind that is well worth it. Iluvwgp, not sure if you are looking mech or electro, there are many factors to consider. as I and others have stated there are cheaper guns out there.
what you need to decide is what you are looking for in a gun. If you want ultimate customizablility, then an autococker can not be touched. (impulse is closest)

The real advantage that i would say there is to owning an autococker is this.
Superior quality that can grow with you as you progress. start out with a stock mechanical frame, then add some upgrades as time passes. eventually you could throw an eframe on it and have it halfblocked. an autococker is about the only gun that I can think of that can compete with a spyder/tippmann price wise (entry level) and be upgraded to being comparable performance wise to the highest end guns of today. (dm5 has nothing on my cocker until its time to clean it.)

**TipP 98 CusToM** · September 8th, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jaggy13

wow, those are some words of wisdom balla.
if you not going to help out, then go back to the lounge.

as for an advantage over a "cheap semi" like balla's timmy for example.
Since he is so helpful and opinionated I will compare my cocker to his 2k2

My cocker is:
Lighter
faster
more accurate
has less recoil
Quieter

not to mention that mine is unique. ( I personally don't put alot of worth on cosmetics but some do.)

Balla does have way more posts than I do, and 8 coolness points too... so take my opinion for what its worth. I am also not AGG and make no guarentees that a cocker will be AGG ever.

Now if you were to compare an ebladed autococker to an ION or promaster, to guns that I would consider to be great starters you are going to spend more on a cocker for similar performance. vs the ion you will get a better fit and finish with a cocker and maybe a better over all feel. (I have not shot a promaster yet, but should be getting some soon, and I look forward to it.)

The long and short of it is, you need to go out and shoot alot of guns. then take your $300 - $600 and decide what suits your needs for the amount of $$ you have.

LMAO

dont argue with jaggy balla, he knows the most about cockers on this forum

**sumsimpleracer** · September 8th, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TipP 98 CusToM

LMAO

dont argue with jaggy balla, he knows the most about cockers on this forum

very true

Jaggy>me
Jaggy>drk
wolf13>or equal to Jaggy....????

**DayoftheGreek** · September 8th, 06:37 PM

Yeah, i agree with most of the pro-cocker posts on this thread.

Very few cockers owners will try and argue the price effeciency or performance as cockers best atributes.

Yes, there are cheaper guns that may shoot faster. Yes, maybe there are more well known guns.

But the reason i like my cocker isnt at all due to performance, its due to originality. There are alot of other guns out there that really cant match cockers real potential to be comepletely DIFFERENT.

They look much more different than any other gun on the market. I love the external pnuematics. And i also love, as jaggy said, the ability for the cocker to grow with me. Its not the cheapest, but its alot easier for me to have a gun that upgrades with me, instead of having to buy a comepltely new gun every time.

I think getting a cocker is more of a preference issue than a performance issue. Obviously cockers can perform with the best, it just might be a bit more of a cost, unless you have hookups. My soon to be e-cocker setup has run be a total of about 400 bucks (not counting HPA). This is a 2K4 Vert feed with no stock pnues at all. Now, a 400 ecocker vs. 300 on an ion? Theres no competition in my book.

**toXic** · September 8th, 08:14 PM

I love my cocker, but if you dont have anybody around to help you, or your new to the sport and are not sure about how to maintenence them i would suggest you getting a simple gun at first. They can be hard to keep up working if you dont know what your doing.....

Such as my case, i have a e-cocker that leaks in all directions(barrel, front block, electro 3-way), why? because im a noob to cockers.

**sumsimpleracer** · September 8th, 09:34 PM

i love mech cockers, i'm a huge fan to them. they seem so sexy and original, i don't care for speed because i'm a one baller

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**jaggy13** · September 9th, 12:55 AM

thanks for the kind words guys.
(just to set the record straight, wolf13 has way more history than I do. definatly a great resource and I am really glad he is coming around this forum.)

as for a cocker as a gun of choice... I wish I could say exactly why I love them so much, its kinda like a muscle car. sure others can corner better, or beat it off the line and even cost less doing it, but theres just something special about them. you either love them or don't. not many on the fence so to speak.

**tlmiller** · September 9th, 03:59 PM

Agreed. I would have honestly agreed with balla that there aren't any advantages...but that doesn't stop me from owning all cockers. Although I really wanna get a paradigm mag...my truck and it's gas mileage and brakes have conspired against me to prevent that.

***wolf13*** · September 9th, 07:06 PM

thanks for the nice words guys, but i always keep finding out new stuff all the time which is why I browse around so much. I also am way behind on new tech, I feel lost tearing around in electronics.

Anyway, people have pretty much said what can be said about why to own one, but when you get down to it, I have yet to meet a paintballer that plays on any frequnt basis that can claim he DOESN'T want to tinker with his gun. A cocker is the ultimate extension of that, always has been and probably will remain it for any forseable future. Performance wise, you can set it up any way you want. You have more trigger options and more firing styles open to you with a simple outlay of cash and a few tools then any other gun. you can even convert them from pump, to semi, to electro between games and still be able to switch back for the next. As an e gun it can keep up with anything out there in normal playing conditions, then turn around and play pump.

Want to be really hard core and tinker around? ever seen an open bolt e-cocker? its been done and the parts are still out there, no milling needed, just soem knowhow and a soildering iron. how about a pneumatic assist pump that can fire as fast as a semi? They've been around for years. how about a mechnical rt mode? been around for years, coming around again, and could be whipped up with some fabrication and a clippard catalog if your really daring.

Now, 99.9% of people won't go that far, but the option is there. It was once said "there is no such thing as a stock cocker after a week, there is no other gun that is so much a personal billboard". when you get down too it, theres virtually no other gun out there that you can so drasticly alter the performance with your own hands and parts. It may not be the latest, greatest, theorotically fastest thing out there but it definatly still has a niche.

**TipP 98 CusToM** · September 9th, 09:11 PM

holy **** wolf you have a nice cocker collection i just looked in your sig

i tip my hat to you