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Old September 17th, 01:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Questions about Autocockers...

...I haven't been able to get answered by doing lots of reading.

1. Which Autococker would be the best choice to buy from a 'potential' point of view? By that i mean, a)initially being as inexpensive as possible, and b) having the potential to be upgraded all the way, whereas the remaining stock parts like the body etc should not hold the Cocker as a whole back.

2. Some of some Autococker's parts are not upgradeable?

3. Not every upgrade works on every Autocockers?

4. Is a stock autococker (without counting the potential of being upgraded) worth it's money compared to other markers in the same price range (+- $20)?

5. Would an fully upgraded Autococker count as an high-end-marker? (I've seen vids on youtube, where Autocockers look like they shoot as fast as physically possible, but I don't have the experience to tell how well such a marker actually compares to really expensive stuff.)

6. What is the max of bps one could get out of an Autococker?

This would be my first paintball marker, and I haven't played a lot yet, so I want to get a marker as good as possible for as less money as possible. Those Autocockers seem to be a good compromise, as they seem to be almost endlessly upgradeable, while the initial costs are very low. And yes I've read it a dozen times, autocockers themselves and especially tinkering with them is nothing for noobs, but i am willing to invest dozens of hours of headache into it.

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Old September 18th, 06:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1) just a vertical feed autococker. But NOT a Trilogy.
2)The trilogy's have some not upgradeable parts. The regular cockers you can replace EVERYTHING.
3)pre-2000 cockers use pre-2000 parts, 2000 and up all use the same parts. Most parts you find, will be 2000+, so as long as you get a 2000+ marker, it will be fine.
4)Depends what you want. If buying a mech marker, yes. If you want something fast, you should go with something else. Unless you plan on starting slow, then upgrading.
5)Some people will say no, but they are stupid. Autocockers are awesome guns when tuned right.
6) They can get 15 BPS EASY, so that is all that really matters.(electric cockers)


I hoped that helped you, dont have much time to go into detail, I have a speech to write, and 3 tests to study for.
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Old September 18th, 06:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you for your valuable time toXic, that helped a lot. Although, I came up with some new questions, but maybe someone else could answer them, surely there also are other knowledgeable people around here.

7. Is a Superstock Autococker a ProStock with an Electronic Trigger?

8. Is E-Blade the general term for an electronic trigger?I could not find any products or labels named E-Blade.

9. What's the difference between E1 and E2?

10. Are there big differences between Electronic Triggers? (Mass, Interval, Reliability, etc)-Wise

11. Is The Stock E-Trigger in a SuperStock fine, or would it need to be upgraded some day?

12. 03', 04', 05', where are the differences?

13. Are there even 06' and 07' cockers?

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Old September 18th, 07:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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7)Yea pretty much.

8)The e-blade is a type of electronic trigger, well, really it is a kit. They made several different kits for them. The Eblade, E2(eblade 2), Race frame, and sonix. The best in my opinion is the Race frames. You can hook them up to your computer with a cable and a free program, and adjust every setting.

9)The e2 has better battery life, came with a better solenoid, and just felt better. I dont know a whole lot on them though, but the E2 was better.

10)Well, the E2 or race will shoot as fast as you can want. One difference between them, is the E2 uses an opti trigger, and the race a micro switch. So with the e2, you dont feel a click when you shoot. It just shoots. So some people prefer this. The raceframes actually click when you shoot, this is what I prefer, but the E2 is awesome also.

11) It would be fine, but you may find yourself wanting to upgrade it just because you can.

12)The differences are minor, may be some different milling, but all in all they will be the same. Not sure about the boards in the trigger frames. They may be different, but you can always replace the board.

13) THey made some in 06 and 07. The black magics were the biggest, but they made a few limited run or special edition markers. Right now, there is a Jeff orr edition marker. It looks pretty good. But it will cost $6-700
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Old September 18th, 08:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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hey, whats so terrible about trilogys, i got one and it works just fine
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They are not persay terrible. But you can do alot more alot easier with a standard autococker.
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true, but you can't beat a price like $75!
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Old September 19th, 05:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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12)The differences are minor, may be some different milling, but all in all they will be the same. Not sure about the boards in the trigger frames. They may be different, but you can always replace the board.
Just wanted to point out, there IS a fairly large difference between the 03/04 and the 05. 03/04 VF/Prostock/Superstock had a press feed neck, 2K+ length aluminum bolts, whereas the 05 Prostock/Superstock has a threaded feedneck and Evolution/STO length delrin bolts. That is worth IMO quite a bit, since it makes it easier to upgrade the feedneck and the bolt is already a fairly decent one that doesn't require upgrading.
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Old September 21st, 05:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I didnt know that about the feednecks, but it would be worth it then.
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Old September 25th, 06:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Thank you again toXic, and also thank you for pointing out that difference tlmiller.

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14) Is it true that certain hopper feed door spring clips for let's say an Evolution II hopper can be bought at paintball shops? (Lil' bit off-topic and off-forum, but wth)
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