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**Trbo323** · January 13th, 03:24 PM

E-class orracle autococker package, major upgrades, NR! - eBay (item 130280921469 end time Jan-17-09 18:00:00 PST)

just wondering if you guys can give me some insite on this marker, im still a noob at autocockers but i have wanted one for a while.

mainly iv been looking for something electronic that has (or can have) a clamping feedneck installed, none of that press fit junk. and a double trigger

i have no idea if the trigger frame for this is any good so please give me some insite

thanks guys (and gals if theres any)

tlmiller · January 13th, 05:28 PM

It's not horrible. The frame is a worrframe, not a true eblade. No screen, no adjustments. So if you want to eventually MQ, you're SOL with that frame and need to get another. Shocktech bolt isn't all that. If you don't want to upgrade to an MQ valve and you don't mind that it will EAT batteries, go for it.

The WGP clamping neck is junk. But if it's on there, then at some point someone threaded the neck, so you can always put a REAL clamping feedneck on there.

**Trbo323** · January 13th, 07:14 PM

sorry still trying to get the lingo down, whats MQ?

i probably would upgrade stuff, but as a base platform at least i and my autococker noob fantasy thought it looked decent, so could a eblade 2 bolt up to that?

so that neck thats on there is threaded?

o one more thing, does the orracle have eyes? i am assuming thats what that cover on the side is for but i just want to make sure

tlmiller · January 13th, 07:37 PM

Michael Quinn valve. replaces the entire lower tube and gets rid of the pancake (clapper) noid in the frame. Turns it into a fully electropneumatic cocker. 200-250 psi operating pressure and no perceptible kick. Massive speed. Really nice upgrade. Currently the MQ2 is out. It is mostly just bugfixes, but it also no longer includes a raceframe version (different voltages between race and eclipse frames).

Eblade/E2/Raceframe will bolt right up to it. With Eblade or E2 won't even have to replace the front solenoid, that one is the same as the eblade/e2 noid.

Neck would have to have been threaded. I don't know of WGP making that feedneck in a pressfit version. It's not out of the question, just I've never heard of it being done. IF it is pressfit...cocker necks can be hacksawed off and you can just use Ego necks.

That one looks like she does indeed have eyes. They're only bouncebeam, but they're eyes.

Ask any questions you want. I've been shooting cockers for 13 years. Can time a mech blindfolded.

**Trbo323** · January 13th, 11:00 PM

thanks for your help sofar, by chance do you have aim or skype? it would be nice to have a live chat so i can have questions answered in real time

ok more questions

so a eblade or e2 will bolt right up, and eat through the battery faster, but have adjustment whereas the frame thats on it has no adjustment?, a MQ raceframe will require the replacement of the front noid.....and lower tube?, how do you replace one tube but not the other?

so do you think it will do ok as is? or is anything needed? also what will the MQ frame/noid/valve (?) run me?

ok if you were in my shoes what would you do, backup marker, must be electronic with clamping neck?

tlmiller · January 14th, 05:11 AM

aim = STO Gunner

eblade/e2 will bolt right up. eblade will be about the same on batteries. Zerob board or e2 will be MUCH better on batteries. Yakuza board even better. All the other boards will have the adjustments, yes, and a display screen of some sort.

MQ raceframe is basically an impossibility at this point. The raceframe requires replacement of the front noid, not the MQ.

Assuming it's in good repair, it will shoot just fine as is, just carry spare 9V with you if you don't put a brand new on in every time you play, and remove the battery every time as soon as your done (these frames will drain when off about 50% of the time). MQ retails $125.

You know how many markers I have...I'm the WORST possible person to ask the question of "what would you do?" since I needed a backup and I'm up to 15 of them (although my mq'd cocker is still my favorite marker still to this day).

**Trbo323** · January 14th, 10:52 AM

ok i got a little lost as some point

so e and e2 will bolt right up and a yakuza board will fit in those, the raceframe, i am not sure why you said it is an imposibility at this point, is the raceframe nolonger made? or the MQ valve?

ya i realize you are not the best person to ask if i should buy another marker. lol, but gosh i am having a hard time with this, it is pretty much everything i am looking for besides being able to adjust the programing but i can fix that myself. its just i am wishing it was $50 cheaper, i have a few days to decide though as long as nobody else takes it

im not sure ill be on aim tonight or not, my SN is the same as it is here though, if i am on it will be about 9 hours from the time this message posts

tlmiller · January 14th, 01:59 PM

neither the raceframe (to my knowledge) nor the MQ valve that fits the raceframe (this I know for fact) are made any more. The MQ was slightly different that mated to the raceframe as it needed to work on 4.8v instead of 9v.

I can sometimes start to ramble and have my thoughts run together into an incoherent string of nonsense.

If you search long enough, you'd be able to find one. I saw one on craigslist a few weeks back, VERY similar to that, $125.

**Trbo323** · January 14th, 11:13 PM

so if i did grab this one my best bet would be to go with the e2?

so the MQ valve to fit the raceframe is nolonger made, is there another MQ valve that doesnt go with the raceframe?

i like the oraccles, but they seem a little hard to find

i took a look at yours, i like everything but the feedneck, im concerned that with the shaved neck on my empire, and that those press fit necks i am not sure will hold on to it strong enoufgh

tlmiller · January 15th, 05:34 AM

Yes, they had an MQ that fit eblades, and the MQ2 ONLY fits eblades.

I've found several in the last few months, as another guy I know was looking to pick up a cheap ecocker.

Which marker did you not like the feedneck, the o3m or the Superstock? As I said before (I think in this thread, if not definitely in others), if you don't like the pressfeed neck, you can modify it with a hacksaw and some sandpaper to accept Ego necks.

**Trbo323** · January 15th, 10:30 AM

how does that work though? wouldnt you have to re-thread it?

ok so is the MQ2 still made?

tlmiller · January 15th, 11:35 AM

MQ2 is still made.

Ego necks don't thread in, they're basicallly a metal version of the straight elbow that Spyders use. They clamp over the neck on the Ego, they're not threaded. Just so happens the neck size is the same between Egos and cockers.

**Trbo323** · January 15th, 01:04 PM

but that will still stick up a fair amount right? i guess its better than nothing though

also take a look at this

Eclipse E2 frame, and MQ2 valve combo, plus many extras - eBay (item 180320172233 end time Jan-18-09 12:59:22 PST)

so i was looking at this auction as well and it seems to me that everything you were mentioning above is in it, if i got these two auctions would everything work together? what about the break beam eyes mentioned with the e2 auction? would i have to drill to install them? is it dificult? is it worth it?

**Trbo323** · January 15th, 03:32 PM

WGP Autococker with E-Grip - eBay (item 160309474333 end time Jan-18-09 12:34:48 PST)

^^^ this is a prostock right? what are your thoughts on it? i mean i know you have one but the auction says it has a faulty valve, are they easy to come by and fix? would the e2 frame from the link above work with the prostock as well? MQ valve?

to me it looks ok, if i can retrofit the feedneck the prostock may be the way to go

that just brings me to another question, i may have asked this before but i dont remember the answer, whats the difference between the prostock and the orracle?

tlmiller · January 15th, 05:46 PM

You cut all but a tiny bit of neck off, so it doesn't really stick up further than that existing neck.

First one:

EVerything will bolt right on. The eyes are a nice upgrade...but they do require some custom work to get them to go on without breaking anything. Because they have to lay over the pump arm, so you need some way of keeping them from rubbing it and eventually destroying the eyes. And yes, you'd have to drill your body for them. Is it worth it? To me, no...to some yes. Avoid using REALLY dark paint, and you'll have no issues using bouncebeam eyes.

Second one:

That is a 2005 SUPERstock. Prostock was mechanical. I like them, obviously since that's my other autococker.

E2's bolt right on (mine has an e2), MQ also will drop right in, as these still used the classic cocker valves, not the newer 11/16" "universal" valve.
The feedneck on the Superstock is DEFINITELY threaded.

When they were both made, prostock was the "entry level" autococker. Base everything. orracle has an adjustable 3-way, externally adjustable inline regulator, and different milling.

**Trbo323** · January 15th, 06:41 PM

threaded really? nice, ok more questions

is there a difference besides the trigger frame from the prostock to the superstock? (eyes im assuming seeing the cover on the right side) also the valve that the aution is talking about, the mq2 (assuming i get the auction with the e2 and mq2 valve) will replace that if i am reading your last post correct?

sorry for the comparison questions never ending but what is the difference between the orracle and the superstock then besides the milling?

(i am leaning towards this superstock now if that mq2 will replace the faulty valve)

**Trbo323** · January 15th, 06:57 PM

ill be on aim around an hour after the timestamp on this post

tlmiller · January 15th, 07:11 PM

Prostock isn't drilled for eyes, other than that and what you already knew, Superstock and Prostock are the same marker.

MQ2 will replace the valve in the Superstock.

Milling was the main difference between orry and superstock. The externally adjustable inline reg was nice, but of course most people that bought a prostock would just replace it anyway, so not really a HUGE issue. The easily adjustable 3-way is nice though if you were going to stack mechanical...although you could always just put a better 3-way than the Orracle one onto a Prostock. Biggest reason to splurge for the Orry was the milling.

Oh yeah, and the Orry had a -15* ASA instead of standard 90* ASA.

**Trbo323** · January 16th, 05:38 PM

sweet, nobody is bidding on them yet

**Trbo323** · January 18th, 02:52 PM

so im looking around for feednecks and having a hard time, im looking on actionvillage but none of the necks look threaded, what should i be looking for?

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