Since the paintball world has moved on from autocockers to faster, simpler, more reliable guns I would say don't bother. It's going to cause a lot of headaches to get it set up since there's hardly anyone out there that is easily accessible to tune and troubleshoot them. I'd save the money you're going to spend on an eblade and pick up an Ion (they can be had for a song used) or even an old Intimidator for $2-300. It'll be a better, faster, and much more reliable gun than any e-cocker. Keep it in mind before you make the plunge.
I'd disagree with almost every word except where you said there's not many easily accessible people to tune them. A 1 time properly timed cocker that has 3 drops of oil run through it and is left alone will stay in time for YEARS with no need to tear it apart beyond pulling the bolt and wiping it off. The ONLY reliability issues with cockers are caused by their owners. And Ecockers can shoot as fast as anything made.
I upgraded from a Tippmann to an STO (back in late 1996) as my first high end marker yet had no reliability issues because I asked first and listened to what people told me.
A 1 time properly timed cocker that has 3 drops of oil run through it and is left alone will stay in time for YEARS with no need to tear it apart beyond pulling the bolt and wiping it off.
though that will most likely not be the case.
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LEGIT, IM SERIOUS (sgt.slaughter jacked this from joe):
I upgraded from a Tippmann to an STO (back in late 1996) as my first high end marker yet had no reliability issues because I asked first and listened to what people told me.
You come from a time when cockers were the dominant semi-auto marker in the scene and support was easily available. Nowadays people don't even recognize my 2k2 Intimidator and ask me if its an Ego, and the only cockers you ever see are pumps. All I am saying is that if he wants a tournament marker, it downright needs to be reliable above anything else. If an e-cocker goes down in the middle of a tournament, more likely than not there won't be a single person there that knows how to fix it, and unless he can find another gun, his team will have to play a man down; a problem that could be sorted out by simply buying a better gun.
Now I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that autocockers are not all that bad to those who have dealt with them. I can truly appreciate a well tuned cocker with a slider frame on it, but I can tell you one thing, I know one guy in the entire state that knows how to tune them, and I've been playing here for near six years and play on a team sponsored by the biggest local store in the state. I know a LOT of people in the sport and the business around here, and still, only one who does cockers. It really just seems like a bad idea. Now if it was about four years ago, I'd be all over it, but times have changed, paradigms have shifted, and cockers have been weeded out. Time to buy a poppet valve gun.
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what the hell does that mean?
and zidane, whats the deal with quoting my sig?
I'm really not sure why you're getting so defensive here. Judging by your question it's safe to assume you're a relatively new player, and on that note, it probably isn't a good idea to get a gun with such inherent reliability issues. When it comes down to it, though, it's all up to you. I'd just recommend to find a really good tech and always have a backup gun if you do decide to go with the e-cocker.
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Angel IR3, WGP 98 Autococker, WGP 99? Pump, Spyder Tlx/Xtra, Delta .68 Pistol, 68/30 & 68/45 HPA, 68 Carbine, 2 Pro-Lites, 68 Classic Automag, BKO, more..
Wishlist:
Springs, Timmy, 10 round tubes, CO2 cartridge band, triggers, VloJr or Empire B, and other misc.
LEGIT, IM SERIOUS (sgt.slaughter jacked this from joe):
If you want reliability, if you don't fiddle with a gun, you will NOT find many more reliable than cockers. Cockers are FAR more reliable than Egos/Timmies/Matrices/Quests/Geos/Shockers EVER have been, or probably ever will be. Once timed, you loctite it, and it doesn't have any issues for YEARS as long as you remember to put fresh batteries in.
^ thats what i thought too, and im not a very new player, me a peaches have the same play time and he just a better guns than me cuz im too poor to afford anything too good
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(Talking about matching jersey and pants):"this looks serious, oh lets go be near those guys, they look like they know what theyre doing." "how so?" "dude, they got uniforms."
i really dont know what im talking about...
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Angel IR3, WGP 98 Autococker, WGP 99? Pump, Spyder Tlx/Xtra, Delta .68 Pistol, 68/30 & 68/45 HPA, 68 Carbine, 2 Pro-Lites, 68 Classic Automag, BKO, more..
Wishlist:
Springs, Timmy, 10 round tubes, CO2 cartridge band, triggers, VloJr or Empire B, and other misc.
LEGIT, IM SERIOUS (sgt.slaughter jacked this from joe):
If you want reliability, if you don't fiddle with a gun, you will NOT find many more reliable than cockers. Cockers are FAR more reliable than Egos/Timmies/Matrices/Quests/Geos/Shockers EVER have been, or probably ever will be. Once timed, you loctite it, and it doesn't have any issues for YEARS as long as you remember to put fresh batteries in.
This is now just coming down to opinion. It is simply wrong to say that a gun that you have to manually adjust the timing on, with so many moving parts and adjustments, is more reliable than an Intimidator where you set the LPR at 80psi, set the velocity with the HPR, and never have to touch it again. In fact, any day, a spool or poppet valve gun like the ones you listed will always, hands down, be a more reliable gun than an e-cocker. There is nothing wrong with liking e-cockers, they definitely have a certain old school charm to them, but it is downright wrong to state that they're even close to the reliability of the guns you listed.
Let me add a bit of experience here to back up my claims. I once owned a Dye Reflex cocker, the most expensive and sought after cocker of its time. I spent hours timing it perfectly to where I could practically walk the trigger on it and used it all day the next day at the field. It shot amazingly well all day. I put it down on my bench and it got knocked off and landed on the ground. A leak developed in the pneumatics and was never able to be fixed. I ended up replacing the LPR and ram after fiddling and bringing it to my local tech, then e-bladed it and with the help of the tech, set everything up. It never shot right again. Before that, a similar story. I owned a 2k2 cocker that I slowly tricked out myself. I ended up with a slew of different pneumatics that were the best of their time. I timed it myself and had a tech look it over, and he absolutely loved it. I used it out on the field, and within one game the three way orings blew. I maintain my guns very thoroughly and keep all the orings lubed up after every day of play. This simply should not happen but due to the clunky design (that was pretty innovative when it was first introduced), they are just not ideal. Why else would they be weeded out of the sport, save for pumps?
On the other hand, I have owned three Intimidators, a shoebox shocker, and an old matrix. None of these guns needed anything more than an occasional adjustment to the high pressure reg to adjust the velocity, and maybe a couple changes on the board depending on which hopper you wanted to use with them. One of the Intimidators has been sitting out in my garage for months collecting dust. Just the other day I aired it up and fired off a hopper out back and it shot perfectly. You cannot say that about any cocker, and I highly doubt you have owned and shot the list of guns you have compared them to and are just making a blanket claim.
The only way to make a cocker as reliable as you claim them to be is to slap a pump kit on it.
I said loctite the settings and it'll be reliable. EVERY single cocker I have set up, I haven't had the person bring it back to me for 5-6 years before it needed to be retimed. I've never had a spool or a electropneumatic poppet go longer than a year before it needs to be adjusted. As I said in the beginning, almost every issue that you end up with on cockers is caused by the USER, not the marker.
I love spools, electropneumatic poppets and cockers equally. But from what I've seen in 14+ years of playing, if a cocker is set up right AND NOT CONSTANTLY TOYED WITH, it is more reliable than anything else other than pumps.
Definitely go with the E2 if you can find one. If you are reasonably familiar with your marker you can install it yourself easily enough if not have your local shop do it that is if they even have anyone there that can work on Autocockers anymore. Having it drilled might be a bit trickier and I think you might be in a bit over your head here.
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