huckduck

source: Paintball autococker

i get most of the obvious... but what is a system -vf- ... CT ... and what's so special about the orracle valve?

and wtf is a vf tactical? he added rails?

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tlmiller

VF Tactical was a really ugly prostock

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toXic

The CT 3way was practically the Orracle 3way, except the orracle had the adjustable knob. The CT was adjustable though, so most people preferred it because it didn't have the goofy knob on it. From what I could gather, the Bomb 3 way was the best, but it wasn't much better than the CT.

Here is a new one.

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Trbo323

man that is an ugly cocker...

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Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that makes a firearm better makes a paintball marker worse. They are 2 very different worlds with nothing except a trigger in common

tlmiller

Yes, yes it is. And it was crazy expensive when they released it.

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Pro_paintball

I know some people who have some vf tacticals. There are actually kinda nice without that ugly front block rail system. There are a few guys that will take the front block rail system and turn it into a pump. Thats just my opinion though

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Nothing compares to playing pump or with a older marker

addicted2dunes

I own all three versions of the VF Tactical, they are awesome guns..... some people say it's a modified Prostock but in all actuality there is a lot differences, much faster and snappier then a Prostock.

tlmiller

Umm, they are modified prostocks. They use prostock bodies, bolt, LPR, rams, and 3-ways. Different trigger, differently milled reg, but as for that, it's the extent of the difference between the prostock and the VF Tac.

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addicted2dunes

Wrong..... Not the same bolt, ram, or 3-way..... Delrin bolt, CT 3-way, different spring combo, different HPR belleville springs.

Different milled reg? WTH? It's an Ergo with an extension for a gauge port.

addicted2dunes

Either way, the Tacticals get double to triple the price of a Prostock.

tlmiller

Prostock bolt IS delrin. CT 3-way IS the prostock 3-way. Same ram, didn't even change the milling. I've worked on plenty of both. Identical other than the tactical bolt-ons.

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addicted2dunes

So have I, all I build, mill, modify, sell is cockers, been doing it for 15 years.

1) Prostock DOES NOT come with a delrin bolt, it is aluminum
2) CT DID NOT come on the Prostocks, only the Outkast and Orracle.
3) The ram has all 10-32 ports for faster flow, the Prostock has one 10-32 and a 8-32
4) Tactical has Orracle internals
5) The body is based off a Prostock, but has the window milling between tubes, no VASA holes, and is milled out for the timing guard

Trust me, I know my cockers...... aren't you the one that said this was a WGP? Price Check?
Wrong, WGP never had the high degree on the sight rails..... that is an Advanced Concepts body.

addicted2dunes

In case anyone is wondering...... my cocker collection, I know my way around them:

tlmiller

1. Sorry, got 03/04 and the 05 bolts confused.
2. CT 3-way is an Orracle 3-way without the external adjustment knob. CT 3-way, technically, DID NOT come on the Orracle, the Orracle 3-way did. The CT came on...well, everything else in different names since all of WGP's 3-ways were identical other than milling and the knob or lack thereof. But as NAMED CT, it came on the Prostock in 03/04. I believe they renamed it again for the 05's.
3. That's possible, I've never changed the barbs on a WGP ram since it was in the past cheaper to simply replace the ram with a superior one.
4. Yes, true.
5. Still, a prostock body. Slightly milled prostock body is still a prostock body.

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addicted2dunes

OK, so we are in agreement thus far.... minus the 3-way, the '03 Prostocks did not come with any style of adjustable 3-way, they came with the "STO" 3-way, only way to adjust was with the timing rod.

As seen here:

tlmiller

Ummmm, yes?

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addicted2dunes

In '03 the Tactical was the upgraded version of the Autococker..... the Prostock was it's predecessor. As you can see from the schematic, the Tactical came with:

Oracle internals
CT 3-way
CT LPR
Modded STO ram
Ergo HPR
Bore matched barrel kit (Kaner)
Delrin bolt
And a new front block
Modded body with enlarged air passages

tlmiller

EXACTLY. It's a Prostock.

Oracle internals - put a spring kit in a prostock and it's better than orry internals.
CT 3-way - same as the prostock
CT LPR - same as the prostock
Modded STO ram - other than not being modded, same as the prostock
Ergo HPR - same as every other WGP HPR other than the milling
Delrin bolt - yes, this is truly different.
And a new front block - which didn't affect performance
Modded body with enlarged air passages - yes, but no better because it still used the not "spyder" sized valve that flows so much better.

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addicted2dunes

I give up..... everything I listed above is what is different then a Prostock, it is no where near the same..... Of course you can upgrade a Prostock, slap a Shocktech front end on and you are way better, but I am stating the Tactical had all of WGP's upgrades they had at that time.

tlmiller

Yes, a CT 3-way is nothing like a CT 3-way...
And wow, an STO ram is nothing like an STO ram.
And amazing how different a CT lpr is from a CT lpr.

Oh wait, they're the same things. Ok, they modded one ram a tiny.

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