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**backseatgunner** · September 12th, 07:06 PM

im uprading from my tippy but i dont have millions of dollars to bust on a gun. would a $300 cocker or dragun tes be better.

**CoolHipJim56** · September 12th, 07:24 PM

WGP cocker.

Dranguns are fake cockers, and do not accept most cocker upgrades.

**dirtrider** · September 12th, 07:27 PM

definetly go for the WGP cocker. I have heard a lot of problems from the TES. And cockers are great guns. I love mine.

**3mag5num7** · September 13th, 10:57 PM

It's kinda funny how you put this in the cocker forums so you're bound to get a biased answer. Me, I hate TES draguns so I'm gonna tell you from experience that you'd be better off with a cocker than a TES. TES's are prone to leaking and you'd have more problems out the box than a cocker. I should know, a friend of mine hadda put a ton of stuff in order to get his working. So yea, go WGP and avoid a TES. BTW, they didn't even spell "Tactical" correct on the gun, hahaha!!

**backseatgunner** · September 14th, 01:02 AM

a lot of you say wgp, i was thing about a bushmaster bko.

**NoDoz** · September 14th, 01:07 AM

The Bushmaster BKO is Electo-Pneumatic, not an Autococker-Type Marker.

Though the BKO is a better choice than the TES, it requires HPA. How about the Pirahna Evo? Eyes.. CO2... Nice ROF

p8NtB/-\113r · September 14th, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolHipJim56

WGP cocker.

Dranguns are fake cockers, and do not accept most cocker upgrades.

dragun t.e.s is not a fake cocker it is a fake timmy

i think its called an m3 dragun but yes that is a fake cocker

**NoDoz** · September 14th, 11:13 PM

M3 Dragun and TES are Different markers. And no it's not a Fake Timmy, it is a Spyder on Steroids. A timmy is Electro-Pneumatic, not Electro-Mechanical.

The Fake Cocker from Dragun is the DragunFly and Drallion.

p8NtB/-\113r · September 14th, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NoDoz

M3 Dragun and TES are Different markers. And no it's not a Fake Timmy, it is a Spyder on Steroids. A timmy is Electro-Pneumatic, not Electro-Mechanical.

The Fake Cocker from Dragun is the DragunFly and Drallion.

o thats right sorry u were right (i know more about angels than anything) haha i like that spyder on steriods o and i was thinking of the t1

**PaintBallBob** · September 15th, 12:02 AM

put this in gun comparisions. youll get a biased view here.

**backseatgunner** · September 15th, 12:04 AM

whats the difference between a cocker and a Electo-Pneumatic marker?

**NoDoz** · September 15th, 07:37 PM

Everything. Side shooting Paint.

Simple Explanation.

An Autococker is a Pump Marker that pumps AUTOmatically for you. So.. Closed bolt design. I'm talking about Mech Cockers here, not Eblades(i dont know much about them).

Electro Pneumatics use kind of the same principle as a Blowback marker. Except that instead of a piece of Metal releasing the bolt to fire, it uses an air-powered valve. This means a quiet marker with very little (if any) recoil. Also, this type of marker can fire at Faster speeds than a Mech Cocker.

---E=P Markers shoot faster.

**CoolHipJim56** · September 15th, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NoDoz

Electro Pneumatics use kind of the same principle as a Blowback marker. Except that instead of a piece of Metal releasing the bolt to fire, it uses an air-powered valve. This means a quiet marker with very little (if any) recoil. Also, this type of marker can fire at Faster speeds than a Mech Cocker.

Electro pneumatic guns work almost nothing like a blowback. True Elecro Pneumatic guns use a ram and hammer assembly on a rod to move the bolt and strike the valve. The bolt is connected to the hammer with a removable pin. An air solenoid moves gasses to diffrent parts of a ram, just like the one on the autococker, but it is inside the gun. As the ram pushes the hammer forward, it brings the bolt with it, then the hammer strikes the valve, releasing gas into the bolt, propelling the paintball. The ram is then reversed by the air solenoid, and the hammer and bolt are moved back to their starting position.

So as you can see, there is no excess gas used to push the hammer/bolt asembely (sp) back to the starting postion.

The only thing Blowbacks and electro pneumatic's have in common are that they are open bolt operational, and they use a hammer to strike a valve (as most guns do)

BTW "Piece of metal" = sear and "air-powered valve" = Solenoid.

**100%Wooddog** · September 15th, 09:27 PM

Beat me to it even though it wouldn't have been that flat out and well described.

**CoolHipJim56** · September 15th, 09:36 PM

I just dont like it when people give other people false information becuase they dont know what they are talking about.

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