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**DayoftheGreek** · December 28th, 04:00 PM

OK, heres the deal. When i shoot i almost never shortstroke. But, ive noticed that alot of the time i have a different problem. my gun fires on the RELEASE of the trigger if you release it to slow...

I looked for a little bit but i didnt see to much help for this problem. Sorry if its already been posted but i didnt see it anywhere.

Anyone have any idea how to fix this?

**jaggy13** · December 28th, 04:45 PM

judging by your sig, I am asuming hinge trigger.

you may try increasing the spring tension on the sear. It sounds like durring the trigger reset the trigger is adding tension to the sear that may be releasing the hammer lug.

That is kind of off the cuff tho. Have you adjusted your hammer lug?
Have you modified the springs at all?
how is it timed? do you have it set to fire right at the first part of the trigger pull?
does it do it w/out air?
You may also take a look at the spring tension inside the trigger (sear reset).
I would suggest re-timing it to a longer trigger pull for trouble shooting purposes.
then see if you can recreate the issue.
good luck and keep us posted.

**DayoftheGreek** · December 28th, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jaggy13

judging by your sig, I am asuming hinge trigger.

you may try increasing the spring tension on the sear. It sounds like durring the trigger reset the trigger is adding tension to the sear that may be releasing the hammer lug.

That is kind of off the cuff tho. Have you adjusted your hammer lug?
Have you modified the springs at all?
how is it timed? do you have it set to fire right at the first part of the trigger pull?
does it do it w/out air?
You may also take a look at the spring tension inside the trigger (sear reset).
I would suggest re-timing it to a longer trigger pull for trouble shooting purposes.
then see if you can recreate the issue.
good luck and keep us posted.

Yes, its a hinge. I havent tried adjusting anything yet as im still new to cockers and dont want to mess with it untill i know what im doing. No spring mods or anything. It is timed, i got the guy i bought it from to have to done by his proshop. Its timed right now so it fires and cycles toward the first half of the pull (i guess, this is kinda hard to tell). Uh, no. It cant do it without air because when i hold the trigger, the hammer doesnt lock in.

**jaggy13** · December 28th, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek

Uh, no. It cant do it without air because when i hold the trigger, the hammer doesnt lock in.

thats wierd. you should be able to pull the cocking rod back by hand and have it latch on the sear. If that is not happening then you need to adjust your hammer lug for sure.
also on your trigger pull, is there any "slop" before it starts to fire?
in other words, is there tension right away on the trigger pull?
If so then the hammer lug may be a little too high and not seating correctly on the sear.

**DayoftheGreek** · December 28th, 05:29 PM

Well, the hammer DOES catch the sear, but my problem is firing on releasing the trigger. So when i hold the trigger down, the sear wont catch it.

If the trigger is forward the hammer catches fine.

As for slop, there is virtualy no slop, only about lke 1/2 of a milimeter. when the gun is cocked there is tension on the pull.

edit: i just looked through some of the timing stuff and i found boomdies programs or something. My cocker does kinda make a short burping sound when i slowly release the trigger pull, does this mean my lug is set too short?

**DayoftheGreek** · December 29th, 03:11 PM

BUMP/NEW INFO

Incase this helps anyone at all the trigger has 0 slack on it, but if i pull it very lightly, then let go, I can put slask onto it. When its first cocked however, there is 0 slack.

**lbreevesii** · December 29th, 03:56 PM

its timing.

**Cocker16** · December 29th, 04:31 PM

Timing, adjust the lug, u might need a new sear.

**3mag5num7** · December 29th, 05:06 PM

Sounds like the sear is not catching the lug, what you need to do is raise it by giving about a 1/4 of a turn counter-clockwise from the timing hole. What's happening is the back block is not pushing the cocking rod all the way back to fully cock the gun, so if you can manually cock the gun then you know the lug needs adjustment and not the cocking rod.

**lbreevesii** · December 29th, 05:15 PM

it should be bringing the block fully back already. what is happen'n is that the trigger has not been released enough when the 3-way actuates(sending the block back foward). so what is happening is that the ram goes back foward before the sear is back into a position to catch the lug. loosen the 3-way collar and rotate it counter clockwise(looking from the barrel end). that'll bring the recock and firing points further apart. but its like i told him tho, why would you be letting the trigger off slowly anyway?

**Boomer_Sniper** · December 29th, 05:17 PM

well normally when people have problems with autocockers i tell them ask DayoftheGeek but i guess that won't work

**lbreevesii** · December 29th, 08:30 PM

why would you ask him? he's owned a cocker for like 2 months. he's my twin and he's asking me how to fix it. lol. hey when jim left he listed me as a go to man

**jaggy13** · December 29th, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek

BUMP/NEW INFO

Incase this helps anyone at all the trigger has 0 slack on it, but if i pull it very lightly, then let go, I can put slask onto it. When its first cocked however, there is 0 slack.

what is happening here is that the lug is sitting on the sear at rest. as you kreep the trigger the lug is kreeping up the sear. but as you release the lug is getting stuck on the sear and basicly sitting even higher than at rest. that is why you then have some slack.

Give the lug 1/4 to 1/2 turn down and you will be fine.

and you should be able to pull the trigger (without air) and hold it in, reach up and manually cock the gun. then let the trigger out. other wise you gun would go full auto when ever you held the trigger in.

**DayoftheGreek** · December 30th, 04:02 AM

k. Without air when i hold down the trigger the gun WILL NOT COCK. I manually pull the cocking rod back and it cant catch on the sear when im holding down the trigger.

**lbreevesii** · December 30th, 09:36 AM

yup, lugs too short.

**jaggy13** · December 30th, 12:50 PM

I concur

**DayoftheGreek** · December 30th, 01:07 PM

so i need to lengthen the lug till it cocks when i hold down the trigger?

**jaggy13** · December 30th, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaggy13

what is happening here is that the lug is sitting on the sear at rest. as you kreep the trigger the lug is kreeping up the sear. but as you release the lug is getting stuck on the sear and basicly sitting even higher than at rest. that is why you then have some slack.

Give the lug 1/4 to 1/2 turn down and you will be fine.

and you should be able to pull the trigger (without air) and hold it in, reach up and manually cock the gun. then let the trigger out. other wise you gun would go full auto when ever you held the trigger in.

more specifly you need to actually time the lug. you lug is not timed correctly. As I staed earlier in the thread if you give 1/4 to 1/2 turn down (clockwise) you will most likely be fine. But you may need to retime you three way if you adjust the lug. it all depends on what it is doing after the lug is working correctly.

**3mag5num7** · December 30th, 05:44 PM

Oops, jaggy's right. Sorry about that I got confused, it IS clockwise.