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Old April 23rd, 08:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Post Im just gonna get a horse and buggy.

The damn blazer is down again The fly wheel had some teeth is what the guy said probably happened by the way it sounded, and the tranny is leaking again. So far I have spent a ton of damn money on this thing and its eating me up. Depending on how much this is gonna cost me I may just cut my losses and get what I can out of the blazer as it is.

I am on a very tight budget so my options for new vehicle is limited. A good friend of my family told me about a truck(93 chevy 3/4 ton ext cab 305v8) his buddy has for sale. The guy had the truck since it was new and was taken care of and had all routine maintenance done on time. It also has new tires and a toolbox but it needs a tranny seal. He parked it when it started leaking so little or no damage should have been done he is wanting $1000 for it.

Well while looking around I found another truck on craigslist. Its a 93 chevy 3/4 ext cab with the 6.2 turbo diesel for $750. This truck has tranny problems also seems it will only go into 1st and 2nd gear. I talked to a few people and found out that the 4l80e tranny thats in that truck had plastic pistons for the solenoids, and they tend to fail after a while. The truck has 180k on it.


I want to get one of these trucks because I need a fullsize pickup for work. Any suggestions on wich might be the better deal?

Heres some pros and cons I came up with.

Truck with the 305.
Pros
Know the history of the truck and how it was taken care of.
New tires.
Should be a cheap fix.

Cons
Would rather it be a 350.
tranny could have been dammaged when it started leaking.

Truck with the diesel
Pros
Cheaper.
Has diesel motor which I would rather have.
Closer to where I am.

Cons
Dont know the history of it.
Tranny could be expensive to fix.
doesnt have a/c.

So yeah gimme some input.
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Old April 24th, 03:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The 6.2L is a Detroit diesel. It was slow as balls (around 150hp, 250ft-lbs tq), but being all mechanical and non-turbo it would be easy as pie to fix if something ever goes wrong. 180k isn't that bad of mileage either.

There are a few things to watch out for according to Diesel power:
•Coolant leaks: Caused by external hoses and head-gasket failure, especially on '88-'96 trucks.
•Oil leaks: Oil pan design and early rear main seal are likely problems.
•Hard starting: Glow plugs prone to failure due to malfunctioning glow-plug controller. High compression ratios and the starter solenoid design only added to the problem.
•Excessive engine vibration: Due to harmonic balancer separating, which leads to crankshaft failure.
•Cylinder-head cracking: Due to overheating or poor casting quality.
•Engine-block failure: Due to insufficient casting quality, '00-and-later blocks are best.
•Electronic-injection-pump failure: Caused by overheated pump-mounted driver (PMD) and not a failed injection pump.

Don't let that scare you though. You're basically looking for the things you would normally look for when buying a diesel. Make sure there isn't any water in the oil, nothing is leaking (though Detroits always leak a little ), the block isn't noticable cracked, and it starts/runs fine.

As long as you don't see any of those things it should be good. Those engines are designed to last 300,000 before a rebuild is recommended. If you get it I could go over some maintenance stuff with you that will keep it running fine. If it had a manual tranmission it would be pretty bullet proof, but since it has a slushbox I'll talk about that too:

The 4L80E is the same trans I have in the '95 suburban. It's basically a computerized 700R4 (which is a turbo 400 with an overdrive). Generally they are pretty good (though not as good as a Turbo 400). The shifts are controlled by computer so it could be a problem with the electronics. The problem could be something as simple as a blown fuse. That would put it in limp mode (locks out first/third/overdrive) and you would just have to disconnect the batterys and reconnect them after changing the fuse. Next it would be the sensors (Imput/Output/Fuel pump TPS). If it is a bad seal you can buy a seal kit for less than $100, or a more complete seals, gaskets, bushings, clutches, steels, ect kit for ~$300. Chances are that will take care of any problem it has. Even if you need a whole new trans you can find them with low miles from a junkyard for ~$500.


Now, even though I'm a diesel guy, the 5.0L would also be a good truck. It has a bit more power (185hp/275), and is based off the 350, so it should be pretty reliable. You know the history of it as well, which is always a plus. However, it will use more fuel than the diesel, so you have to figure out what the costs to run each would be.

I would say they are basically pretty comparable and it would come down to which you like more (or drove better, but since you can't drive either that's mute ). How many miles are on the gasser?
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Old April 24th, 08:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well that gives me some direction on what to look for when I go look at the diesel. Also it is a turbo anything particular I need to check for on those? I am not sure how many miles the gasser has on it I was told it was high mileage so I would guess over 200k. I am gonna try and check out both trucks this weekend depending on the weather and my work.

I would rather have the diesel truck because 75% of my driving is highway pulling a trailer and that would be more suitable for my needs. Right?
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If the gasser is over 180k, go for the diesel.
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who doesnt enjoy the sound of a turbo diesel?
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Well that gives me some direction on what to look for when I go look at the diesel. Also it is a turbo anything particular I need to check for on those? I am not sure how many miles the gasser has on it I was told it was high mileage so I would guess over 200k. I am gonna try and check out both trucks this weekend depending on the weather and my work.

I would rather have the diesel truck because 75% of my driving is highway pulling a trailer and that would be more suitable for my needs. Right?

Are you sure it has the 6.2L or does it have the turbo 6.5L? I know they switched in 1993 from the 6.2 to the 6.5 so it could have either. I'm not sure if they ever produced a factory turbo 6.2L, but if they did I've never seen one. I'll have to ask my father, he would know better than I. Anyway, I know it was popular to add a turbo to the 6.2L engines, so if it is a factory turbo 6.2L I wouldn't worry about it. The same basic thing to watch out for applies, make sure the head gasket isn't leaking (look for the milk in the oil). If it is a turbo the only thing I would do different from a N/A diesel is just let it idle for a minute or two before you shut the truck down after a long trip (to give it some time to cool down).

Like Dablue said, if the gasser has over 180,000 go for the diesel. Generally they last longer if equally cared for.

Finally, if most of your driving is highway diesel is definitely the way to go. In our 2500 Suburban with the 6.5L turbo diesel I get 22mpg highway doing 65. In a truck of that size you can't beat it. Around town it still gets high teens, better than any gasser. Even when diesel is really high in the winter it still breaks even with gassers (the way around that, though, is to store fuel up during the summer when it's cheap ) A lot of guys also convert those 6.2L's to run vegetable oil, which is cheap and awesome (but does require some know how).

By the way, when you go to meet the owner ask him how often he changed the oil (and what type he used), if he used any kind of fuel additives (like power service) or ran off-road in it, and ask him when the last time the coolant was changed.

You'll want to change the oil every 3,000 miles and stick to whatever he used (dino or synthetic, and hopefully he used CI/CJ-4 diesel specific oil since it has more detergent in it), if he ever used power service or O/R diesel that is a good thing since it helps to lubricate the injector pump (which was a problem when they switched to LSD, the pump didn't get enough lubrication), finally diesels like the coolant to be perfect. Buy a tester (if you don't have one) and check it often, also buy Ph testing strips (also known as litmus strips, pool stores often have them, but make sure to get the ones that test at least from 1-14) and make sure the coolant PH is between ~8 and ~10. If it is above 11 I would be leery of that engine. When PH is that high it starts to corrode parts. The two biggest things that hurt diesels are lack of lubrication (both fuel and oil) and poor cooling (which causes cylinder pitting and corrosion).

Well, that's enough info for today.
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Old April 24th, 10:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The ad says its a 6.2l turbo diesel so I assume thats what it is. I will pick up some of those Ph strips and take them with me when i go check it out. Also how hard do you think it would be to convert it over to a standard tranny?


this is what the guy said when I first emailed him about the truck.

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The truck has 182,000 miles. The last 70,000 or so were driven by me,
mostly highway miles. Motor did not use much oil ,smoke, knock or
rattle. I had been having some problem with minor overheating before
the transmission problem. The transmission shifts and pulls fine,
never slipped. One day it just stopped shifting into 3rd and 4th
gear. A transmission repairman told me that the transmission has an
electronic module inside that makes it shift, that could be the
problem. I have three other vehicles and a tractor needing work, and
I stopped driving the truck last summer. Cost of Diesel is too high
for me to drive it back and forth from Tyler area to Dallas, so I
don't need it any more. What else...........OK it is Cowboys blue and
silver, with a grey interior. Body in good shape, interior in fair.
The cloth on the drivers armrest is worn out. Clearcoat coming off
the hood, no major dents, just a few pings. Has a gooseneck hitch.
It is a long wheel base king cab, (2 doors). PS, PB, PW, PDL, AC. Air
does not work, needs compressor
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To convert it to standard would be a bit of work since sizing is different, but it has been done many times. A donor truck would make things easier, but isn't necessary. Here is a website I found that basically tells you everything that is involved:

High Impact - NV4500 5spd
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