This thing looks awesome. I'm really excited to see SVT do an offroad vehicle. I'm even more excited to hear about the 6.2 liter V8 (400hp, 400 torque). Hopefully the 6.2 finds itself in the Mustang in 2010 in one way or another.
The first thing I would do to this truck would be a different grill, the stock one isn't doing anything for me.
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You've always been a douche bag to me, but really, **** you. I was making a little joke, I added a smiley face to lighten it up, and you try to shut me down. That thing is probably really fast, but honestly, my jeep is more trail capable, I'm sticking by that. You can't maneuver an F-150 into places you can get my smaller Jeep.
You've always been a douche bag to me, but really, **** you. I was making a little joke, I added a smiley face to lighten it up, and you try to shut me down. That thing is probably really fast, but honestly, my jeep is more trail capable, I'm sticking by that. You can't maneuver an F-150 into places you can get my smaller Jeep.
That is a prerunner style truck, and not a rock crawler or trail rig. I'd like to see your jeep take on a rhythm section at 70 like that truck would. Your comparing apples to oranges there.
You've always been a douche bag to me, but really, **** you. I was making a little joke, I added a smiley face to lighten it up, and you try to shut me down. That thing is probably really fast, but honestly, my jeep is more trail capable, I'm sticking by that. You can't maneuver an F-150 into places you can get my smaller Jeep.
Lol cry more. Based on your posting history, it's hard to tell if you're joking or not. I usually just assume you said something stupid, and I'm usually right, but you're getting better about it.
Obviously a jeep should do better on a tight trail, but thats about it.
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I love this thing, it has a lot of good features you don't normally see in factory trucks. Such as the electronic locking rear, 4.10 gear ratios, 45:1 crawl ratio, skid pans, long travel suspension, internal bypass shocks, 35" all terrain tires, and switch-able engine/transmission mapping. Most trucks made now are made for comfort/street use over capability/off-road use. It's nice to see someone making a factory truck with some very capable features. The 6.2L engine is really interesting as well. 400+ hp stock, 500hp with a different cam setup and tune, and reports are it's designed for growth. Roush is using a 7.0L version of the same engine making 700hp N/A on E85.
As far as the F150 vs Jeep thing off-road, you would be surprised what works off-road and where. I've seen a lot of full size trucks doing rock crawling on tight trails and do very well, while smaller jeeps don't; as well as visa-versa. Full size trucks can take a different line than smaller vehicles can, they also tend to be more stable due to the longer wheelbase, and can often fit larger tires stock. This means they tend to work better in some areas and worse in others. Often times how well a vehicle crawls depends on how it is set-up and how good the driver is.
Now, even though this truck is meant to be more of a pre-runner, it would still make for a pretty good crawler. The only thing I notice it's lacking is a front locker of some sort and a solid axel (which wouldn't be good for the pre-runner aspect of this truck, so it's more of a trade-off than a defect). Otherwise, this truck seems to be almost on the same level as the Wrangler Rubicon and Dodge Powerwagon as far as factory crawlers go (probably the two most capable factory vehicles out there). I'd put it above the Hummer H2, Toyota Land Cruiser, Toyota FJ Cruiser, and most other factory off-roaders.
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The only bad part about an SVT vehicle is the SVT price tag. Dooms knows what I'm talking about.
Better question: Do you think this will spur a new generation power wagon out of dodge? Or any kind of purpose built offroad rig out of the bowtie bandits?
The only bad part about an SVT vehicle is the SVT price tag. Dooms knows what I'm talking about.
Better question: Do you think this will spur a new generation power wagon out of dodge? Or any kind of purpose built offroad rig out of the bowtie bandits?
Yea, my guess is this truck will start at just under $40,000...and go up from there depending on options. That's one of the things about SVT, they like their vehicles to come as fully loaded as possible with very few options. In one way, this is nice because you know what to expect and it keeps the price fairly uniform, on the other hand, the base price tends to be fairly expensive, plus they are often marked up by the dealer. The nice thing about them though is, because they're Ford, if you wait a year you can often find them for under sticker.
As far as your second question goes....Well, technically, Dodge has the Powerwagon 2500, GM has the Hummer and Hummer Trucks, and now Ford has the FX4 and Raptor. So, they all have some form of off-roading vehicle. I'm hoping though that a lot of the features these vehicles exhibit will trickle down as options into the lower end trucks, meaning the purpose built off-road trucks will need to get even better. Meaning, in a few years we might have unbelivably capable factory trucks coming out. For a while trucks and suvs (especially) became little more than big cars and people are now slowly starting to see that trucks are purpose built vehicles and trying to compromise and turn them into cars doesn't work that well. They're slowly starting to come back, and will hopefully become better than ever.
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Ford is about to go bankrupt, and instead of releasing a low emissions high MPG sensible car to compete with toyota and honda, they release this. It's a nice truck, but 10 years to late. What the **** are they thinking.
Ford is about to go bankrupt, and instead of releasing a low emissions high MPG sensible car to compete with toyota and honda, they release this. It's a nice truck, but 10 years to late. What the **** are they thinking.
They started designing it about five years ago, before gas prices really skyrocketed and the economy tanked. Back when the F150 was the #1 selling automobile in North America (and I think the world).
The truck and the engine has been on and off a few times already. They finally decided just to say "screw it," and release it. I'm guessing since they saw gas prices have pretty much stabilized and the competition all have very good trucks (so they need something to help keep the F150 on top). Plus, one has to keep in mind, SVT vehicles are very low production. Often times 10,000 at most (compared to 400,000 for the normal F150), they also tend to have no problem selling out as long as the dealers aren't gouging the price too bad. I doubt they'll have any problem selling them.
As far as Ford producing a high mpg car to compete with toyonda, they have the Focus and the Fusion. The focus is becoming exactly the same as the highly touted European model in a few years, and the Fusion is getting a big upgrade for 2010. With the new hybrid engine the fusion is going to have a best-in-class mileage of 38mpg city, 5mpg better than the toyota camry hybrid. They also are said to be bringing the Ka city car over here. Looks to me, like they’re doing plenty when it comes to good high mpg cars.
Dooms you got me on the fusion hybrid. I didn't know they had redesigned it with new technology.
I know how its usually low-production run and such, it just doesn't seem like there is a market for it right now. I don't know, doesn't seem like something that would make people want to buy it other than enthusiasts.
As far as the F150 vs Jeep thing off-road, you would be surprised what works off-road and where. I've seen a lot of full size trucks doing rock crawling on tight trails and do very well, while smaller jeeps don't; as well as visa-versa. Full size trucks can take a different line than smaller vehicles can, they also tend to be more stable due to the longer wheelbase, and can often fit larger tires stock. This means they tend to work better in some areas and worse in others. Often times how well a vehicle crawls depends on how it is set-up and how good the driver is.
My dad pulled me out of the mud in a Duramax Diesel 2500 that was chipped out and pretty fast for what it was. I was sitting on my frame in mud and earth, and I couldnt move. Without a locker, and one tire in the air, and one in 30" of mud (no joke, I have 31" tires and only an inch was seen) he just chained me up, and pulled me right out with me even applying the gas. It was pretty sick actually.
However, it took a different way into the trail than I did. It didnt maneuver like I did to get in, he had to ct a few trees and move a few rocks to get into these woods.
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I usually just assume you said something stupid, and I'm usually right, but you're getting better about it.
