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SquareDorito · June 8th, 01:10 AM

So I'm planning on getting a SP Ion. Are there any recommended upgrades. I know i'm getting a new feed neck but besides that what can I do to uprgade it?

vBOOSTw · June 12th, 12:02 PM

make sure you get an ion xe, i have one and love it, the regualar ion is a piece of **** and most can agree.

**Trbo323** · June 12th, 12:17 PM

agreed, go ion XE over ion, it will save you many many headaches and doesnt need as much out of the box as the normal ion does

ionbeast · June 12th, 12:30 PM

i would get a regular ion, i took off the features the ion xe has to offer. here are good upgrades to put on an ion. i have all of these in my gun:
smart parts ion xe
warrior body kit/virtue grips
16" smart parts all american
warrior feedneck
custom products reg
smart parts asa/and rail
ndz saber trigger
killa spring detents
blackheart board
firebolt
sp qev
epiphany rear end assembly
with all of these my gun shoots 31.3 bps, here is what my guns looks like.

**Trbo323** · June 12th, 12:38 PM

dont do what ionbeast did, go look at his thread in the rate my marker section if you want reasons why, there are some good things about that marker but as a whole not a lot of the more experienced people here would shoot it

the whole reason to buy an ion XE is so you can slide the bolt out the back of the marker and therefore do not have to disasemble the whole thing in order to get it out

ionbeast · June 12th, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Trbo323

dont do what ionbeast did, go look at his thread in the rate my marker section if you want reasons why, there are some good things about that marker but as a whole not a lot of the more experienced people here would shoot it

the whole reason to buy an ion XE is so you can slide the bolt out the back of the marker and therefore do not have to disasemble the whole thing in order to get it out

dont' do what i did, what a joke, if you copy my gun it will rip.

**Trbo323** · June 12th, 01:31 PM

we went over that in the rate my marker section, you bought a xe then took out the whole purpose for having it, most people dont use anything beyond semi so anything above the stock ions 17bps would be useless, and theres still that little issue of weather or not you were lieing about the 31.3, at anyrate it doesnt matter and yet you continue to plaster it everywhere as if it prooves your manhood or something, so lets look over these mods you have, warrior body and virtue grips dont do anything, SP barrel is an aluminum tube, nothing special, feedneck is actually usefull, CP reg, i got nothing against these, you can do better and i dont really think these are an upgrade over the stock one anyway. sp asa/rail serves no purpose over stock unless its also an on/off, if not you wasted money, triggers are all personal preference, detents, if the stock ones work i see no reason to replace them, blackheart, again for the majority of people will not give them any advantage, firebolt, ion bolts are gennerally over rated in my opinion, they help, just very few do enoufgh to really be worth the money you will lay down for them, QEVs are one of the few upgrades i will recomend to people because they are cheap. but by far the worst thing you did to that marker is the epiphany rear assembly. id take a stock xe that you can get the bolt out the back of over that thing, i woldmt care if you got a case and a half off a 48/3 its not worth breaking parts doing regular maintanance in my book, and yes give it enoufgh time and it will happen. not to mention not being able to clean the bolt and more importantly the breach between games is a disadvantage

idk why but you still dont seem to understand that 31.3 bps means nothing, a lot of fields today are placing bps limits for walk ons anyway so why should i dump crazy amounts of money to duplicate that marker only to be told at the field i can only shoot 15 in semi? not to mention id be willing to bet i spent less buying my dm6 than you have putting that thing together, and ask anyone who has been around here for a while what they will prefer, 99% of them will say a stock dm6 to that (you can probably find a die hard ion fan somewhere thats why its not 100%)

***Shiner74*** · June 12th, 07:09 PM

I'll agree with the novel Trbo just wrote. It is a nice looking Ion, but I feel the need to drive in the point about the 31.3 BPS is unnecessary. Along with the ROF caps Trbo was speaking of, at no point in a game are you going to be sitting there shooting at 31.3 BPS even if you can.

dracothedragon · June 12th, 07:41 PM

LOL, ion beast just never learns...we have only discussed this in about 3-4 DIFFERENT threads now, each time telling him various points, and every time he ignores them, re-copies his "waste of money list" on "upgrades" and then argues about how his gun is better than any other gun out their...lets see if you can manage to get this thread locked as well(like the last one lol)...where is matrix? cause he put a kabash on the last thread like this lol.

Its a shame too, because this n00b feels the need to post this crap in every thread with "ion" in the title, which then results in that thread turning into an argument (not what the author was looking for) and then some times gets locked. And of course the worst part is the rest of us have to counter his post or the author will think this is the best way to go with his ion...what a piece of work he is....Some people just cant listen to logic and others, or maybe he just doesn't want to listen due to the fact of all the money he sank into it.

and for the author and anyone else looking at this that doesn't know the past, here are a few threads i pulled up real quick involving this that some are referring too
Decked out ion
Tippman 98 - BT 4 ?
Tact'ing Up My Ion. ASA Stock?

SquareDorito · June 13th, 01:17 AM

Alright you guys convinced me. I'm going for the extra 100 for the XE. What should I get for it though? And ion, your gun looks really nice but I think they might be right. Sorry this is turning into an argument guys.

***Shiner74*** · June 13th, 02:21 AM

If your going Ion check out the REDZ version, I believe this one has the BOB which is (bolt out back). These appear pretty nice comes with body kit, new trigger, clamping feedneck. This one has a drop which is personally preference, but can easily be changed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ION-SMART-PARTS-REDZ-ION-PAINTBALL-GUN-PACKAGE_W0QQitemZ120434095771QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0a6e769b&_trksid=p3286 .c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205| 240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

**Trbo323** · June 13th, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SquareDorito

Alright you guys convinced me. I'm going for the extra 100 for the XE. What should I get for it though? And ion, your gun looks really nice but I think they might be right. Sorry this is turning into an argument guys.

no worries, you didnt turn it into a fight anyway, i just didnt want you to get the wrong idea that what ionbeast did is the right thing to do, to tell you the truth i cant remember the last ion i saw that i thought was as big of a wast of money as that thing

but as for what to do to an XE, well out of the box they shoot pretty good, id say get a barrel if you feel inclined (for the money the $30 J&J is the best one one the market IMO, since its ceramic it doesnt have a lot of the disadvantages aluminum barrels do) a on/off ASA will make it much easier to get the tank on and off ($30 CP minis are an amazing choice imo, if you want to spend a little more and reduce the profile the Bob Long gear driver is around $50) and beyond that QEVs if you really want them (they help improove eficiancy and are fairly cheap) ummm, i believe the stock XE has a clamping feedneck so unless im wrong theres no point in getting another neck, and the trigger is all personal preference, if you like it keep it, if not replace it

SquareDorito · June 13th, 07:08 PM

Thanks, but recently ive been skeptical about the Ion. Any other recomendations for a gun that is around 200 or 250? Maybe even 300 if it's well worth it. Thanks!

**Trbo323** · June 13th, 11:48 PM

you can get a mini for around there, a used PMR, um, a F8, and probably a used PM6

for the money id go ion xe or mini

what has turned you away from the ion xe?

SquareDorito · June 14th, 12:08 AM

Well my friend, he was a semi pro player and he really knows his stuff, i mean he's been playing since pump guns where in and stuff. He said I should probably stay away from Ions, i don't know if he was talking about the Ion or the Ion XE, but he said that a DM3 was a good choice. It actually felt pretty nice when he handed me his. But I want to go for something lighter and i will probably end up with the XE.

**Trbo323** · June 14th, 02:33 AM

yes you should stay away from the Ion but not the Ion XE, there is a HUGE difference and if he is judging the XE on what he knows of the ion do not pay attention to another piece of advice he gives you. i dont care if he is Bob Long or Ben Tippmann, if he has not kept up with the times and gear in paintball how can he possibly give you advise on what to get? a DM3 is a horrid choice, sure you can get them for like $50 now but as soon as anything breaks you are up a creek, very very few places sell parts for the dm4 still. i dont remember the last time i saw anything being sold for the 3, in the mid or upper level markers gennerally its not the best idea unless you really know what your doing to buy anything over about 3 years old, parts are just too hard to find and he is telling you to get a marker that 6 years old, not only that but one that has a production run of 1 year, i mean its one thing to buy a old impulse that had a run of a decade or so but not one that was only produced for 12 months.

stick with the XE, you will be happy with it, i guaruntee it