TheAznInvazn

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just incase

So this is my first attempt at a silencer tip for the FREAK barrel system.

This one is a bit big and heavy, but it't my first try and I'm 99.99999% positive this will work amazingly well


So I got some PVC and Poly pipe, a 10" FREAK teardrop tip and some random parts from home

The large white PVC is going to be the outer shell, the black Poly pipe is the inner tube
The black tube will have lots of little holes cut into it around the barrel's porting and infront of it for an additional 6"
The barrel slips into the black tube, the black tube slips into the PVC shell, and in between the two will be stainless steel wool to diffuse the sound and slow the air down.
The back cap of the silencer will have holes drilled in it so that the air will not go back into the barrel section and mess with the paintball trajectory and to direct any remaining noise back towards the shooter and away from the target

The biggest reason why paintball guns (and real guns [negating the sonic boom that high velocity bullets create]) are loud is because of the rapid release of pressure, like uncorking a champaigne (sp?) bottle. If you slow down the release of air, the pop will be softer.

So, in theory, this will work
:P
I've made one similer in design for my airsoft gun (the tuning silencer in my gearbag sale) and it works remarkably well. Once I get this finished I'll post pics and tell yall how well it works or how bad it fails

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MedicDVG

Just be carefull. What you are producing is currently illegal in the USA as it 'could' be used to silence a real firearm. The BATF 'could' come to your house, demand to see your Federal Firearms License (with the attached $200 tax stamp), in addition to demanding to see the letter from your local law enforcement stating they are aware you are producing such things. Or they just go SWAT style on your ass and arrest you, confiscate your stuff, and get you in huge legal trouble.

Silencers are illegal to own/produce/sell without BATF approval. Granted you are in Texas, where firearms ownership is protected by divine intervention, but still -- this is the intrawebs and you may just show up on somebody's list over this.

From an article I did some time ago:

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We know nothing, see nothing, and confess nothing!

So there.

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TheAznInvazn

Actually, I do know all about that, and here's why it's legal to produce

1. It cannot be taken off of the barrel tip without being destroyed

2. Even if I were to place the muzzle of a rifle or pistol in the barrel and shoot, the steel wool is so thin that it would melt from all the hot gases produced and possibly melt the poly pipeing too, thus rendering it useless, even for the first shot

3. As long as it meets all the above criteria (as explained to me by local law enforcement), I should be good for the time being

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Tenacious Jape

I'm in Canada, 'Eh. Where we can make all the silencers we want...because there are no guns.
Back in the day I actually purchased a silencer for my Trracer. It was sweet. By the time I broke the internal part, you couldn't get them anymore.

How do you solve the problem of fitting the freak front into the smaller PVC tube?

I have an aluminum tube from a hot tub (odd, but once painted black quite cool looking) that I want to use for an outside. I have a long, all american freak front, and am considering buying a universal milsim 30cal shroud to use for the "inner" tube. the one over the barrel.

TheAznInvazn

I simply made a spacer on both ends of the tip and get it so that it would just barely fit in the PVC, then I will glue it in place

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theone7486

Sweet nice guide azn

Uphoria

You can also use pink fiberglass insulation instead of the steel wool if you have some lying around

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Tenacious Jape

Still wondering about inside to outside tube spacers. I took my stock Ion barrel for practise and used electrical tape to wind out a spacer. Eventually they started to slide, but wider tape, such as duct might work better.
In a perfect world I'd like something non-glued or otherwise permanent to allow for cleaning. Back in the day a break would really get the internal of the silencer gooey.

FYI. On the commercial one I had many moons ago the spacers had a groove along the outside edge and large o-rings were used to keep things snug.
I'm thinking about finding a machinist to make two discs to use with similar grooves to use as spacers. Of course I'll have to be cleaver with my Better Half to justify that expense.

TheAznInvazn

I just realized that with all those holes in it, if there's nothing supporting the tip of the barrel while it's inside the silencer tube, it could warp the inner tube and possibly break

I will be buying another inner support and finishing this soon

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machgnr

Azn,

I was just cruising this site, after you helped me on the newbie Spyder question. I'm afraid I have some bad news for you on the making of a paintball sound suppressor, "silencer".

While I may be new to the PB world, I do have a Firearms Manufacturing license (class II) and an SOT (Special Occupational Tax). This allows me to manufacture most all types of firearms to semi auto, full auto, and suppressors (silencers) as well. ..And I do manufacture sound suppressors in .22, 9mm, .40, .45, .223 and .30 calibers. Please let me offer you some advice as you've helped me.

I don't know who you talked with in your local LE department but they were dead wrong, and you could face Federal charges and a HUGE fine. Here's the current BATF ruling on your can :

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m30

(M30) Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers NFA firearms? [Back]

The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers. Because silencers are NFA weapons, an individual wishing to manufacture or transfer such a silencer must receive prior approval from ATF and pay the required tax. See Questions M15 and 16 for application details.[/font]

I was actually wanting to start making them for the PB guys, but the cost of the can would be in the $350 range and then the ATF tax would be $200. I'm not sure if they'd sell...

Currently the wait is running about 4 months to get the form 4's back from the ATF to to able to pick up a can.

The argument is that in fact your suppressor would in fact reduce the sound of a firearm. If clamped on the end of, say a .22 cal barrel, it would make a noticeable difference.

I will make a prototype and post the results if you like, and even a video if possible. A paintball gun can be made to be nearly inaudible, as I can make a .308 with subsonic ammo sound like a Red Ryder bb gun !

TheAznInvazn

Meh, I live in the great country of Texas, I'll be fine

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machgnr

OKaaaay...just remember...As great as Texas is, and it may seem like it's not the real U.S., it still has ATF agents in it. Let me know how the PVC pipe drains.

Prometheus1987

Um, have those restrictions been lifted in anyway? I am an Airgunner & I always see adds for the Gamo Whisper which integrates a non-removable working suppressor into the design of the barrel - I.E. a suppressed airgun. This is sold to any idiot over 18 years old in the united states with a state I.D. you don't even fill out any papers for it!

Gamo Whisper
Gamo Silent Cat

Look em up! There's a loophole that we're missing somewhere!

TheAznInvazn

It's the non-removable part

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TippmannFireman

So how's the silencer coming? Anxious to see how it does.

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TheAznInvazn

I actually need to buy a new Freak tip and exchange the center ring support of the silencer

Other than that, it's done

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TippmannFireman

Awesome! Is there any way to mount something like this on the tip of a barrel? I have one of these: http://www.hobbygeneral.com/images/BT_m16_Barrel.jpg and I'd kinda like to put something like that on mine. Maybe a little shorter though

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TheAznInvazn

Sure, just mount the back insert and the middle insert closer together, and make it shorter overall

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TippmannFireman

I'd kinda like something like this: MK23 Socom Silencer It doesn't have to be JUST like this or anything, I just dont want it to look like a have a coke can on the tip of my barrel. I want something small, but that also looks good. Can you tell me how to make something like that? You can PM me if it'd be better for you.

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TheAznInvazn

Trial and error is the best teacher

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