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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Running my own Field

I plan on running my own field within next 6 months. I am working on all the details for as far as the CORE things go. Please give me any other advice if you are a field owner or an EXPERIENCED player that has ideas on which way I should go my field and store.

PAINTBALLS

Marbalizer Paintballs: High End
Diablo Formula 13 Paintballs: Medium End
Diablo Heat Paintballs: Low End


GUN PACKAGES (Rentals I will be using for walk-ins with no equipment)-This means HPA tanks, not sure about running C02 and any other rental equipment might be best to have on hand. This also includes masks, and everything else a person will need for renting out.

I am looking at the Tippmann 98 Custom Platinum Series - I want a good quality package that will require low maintenance and shoot decent. I am open for suggestions. I also hear about some others that are good like Fish. Biggest Bang for Buck and easy to work on as well.

FIELDS

I want to run a tournament field so, I don't mind running turf. Please send links for Air Fields, Turf and Netting as well. I am also considering running nightball.

I am also going to run a tactical field and tower field. Woodsball course will also be another. Best Items for use and high availability will be needed. Send links to what you will think will be best.

CHRONOS

I want a chrono meter for everyone to go though but also for refs so they can do field checks to make sure everyone is doing the right thing. I feel this will be good to keep things fair and have players know they can be checked at anytime.

AIR SYSTEM

Need a good HPA system that I will be able to utilize to fill tanks up with for paintball use. Links are very helpful as you noticed!

INSURANCE

I have looked at a few but taking recommendations. Link it Up

STORE

I want to have a store so I get wholesale prices so retailers that will give me a great price for what I am getting is a MUST. Let me know who would be the best bet for me like ANS, etc...

I am just shooting at this on what I need for the necessities. Money is not really a huge issue, but I want to see what I am looking at as far as initial investment. I want to spend the money where it counts so it will be better in the long run. So if I can buy it now and go ahead and knock it out I don't have to worry about it so much later on. I am also going to look at getting a Manager to run it, so if you are a little interested let me know. It will be in Texas and please ONLY serious interest in this. If I am missing anything please feel free to add in on this. Try to keep this format so it keeps it organized and I can go over it better. Thanks for any inputs anyone has on this.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 01:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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in order:
- Nothing wrong with the paint
- BT4 Slice/98 Flip Top. As rentals, you'll thank yourself in the end for the time you save on maintenance.
- that's pretty ambitious. how much space do you have and how much of a demographic do you have to support it?
- X-Radar is pretty standard. Virtue Clocks are pretty top notch, just make sure your refs take care of them.
- Get a big ass compressor and run a cascade.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 09:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Couple things that make and break my experience at a field:

-Paint: Offering 3 options is going to result in additional options, and stagnant paint. If you're looking at Sat/Sun operation - offer one somewhat cost effective option for outdoor (DXS Silver or something of the like), and a recSport or something less expensive for airball-only/team practices. This might help keep one or more grade of paint from going bad and being unusable.

-98 Flip Tops, and my field is now renting Ethas. They charge a premium for them, but its never fun to be shot up by a speedball gun while using a rental.

- No clue for supplies (/backs away with hands up. Just a weekend baller)

-Chronos - Find something that shares consistency. The cheaper you go, the faster you'll be replacing them. My field had 2 bench chronos that would show me clocking in at 274 +/- 5... and the ref yellow run-of-the-mill hand chronos would have me clocking at 245-250. They switched to the Virtue chronos, and we found that the benches were right and the hand chronos were improperly calibrated and allowing us to shoot a projected 310fps.

Store - another gripe about my field. I own an ETEK3. My field is PE sponsored. It seems as if they only stock Mini marker parts in their pro shop. I understand it doesn't make sense to have stagnant inventory, but when the internals of my ASA fall out (lost), and you don't have either a PE ASA to purchase, or spare internals... You've just lost the sale of a case of paint, profit on the part, and..if I brought someone...possibly a second case of paint too. The regular store cadence is "we don't have that in stock, but we can order it"...and ...again, its expensive to hold inventory - but if you don't have it...I can order it too, and I may or may not have to pay tax...and I can probably get it in my hands faster than you can.

I've ordered a marker through the field for the free membership, but outside that - if they don't have what I want in stock, and there isn't something comparable, I'm either headed home to get exactly what I want, or I'm pulling another marker out of my trunk.

Another thought - Referees. There's a elitest douchebag mentality that seems to be synonymous with the term 'referee'. When I started going to my current field, they were very customer oriented, players themselves, and knew how to properly referee a game. In the year I've been going there, it feels they spend less and less time educating the new referees. Time between games has started to increase. Setup time for games increased. And if I call for a paint check - the referee looks at me funny, or runs to the guy I asked to be checked - and then runs back to me to tell me he's clean. Make sure your associates are friendly, educated, and people-oriented - but be sure they're able to act professionally.

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Old June 7th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Demographically, I am at a good location and have the support from being the only paintball field, that will offer the best, at least 45 minutes in any direction. It has the capability to have lots of potential and I am trying to have the best setup and get this initial cost and resources out of the way. I have alot of stuff that I can place on my field from Houston and move it up to my location by 40 foot trailer. So with that out of the way I can Focus on things that will be most cost effective.

If a store is not going to help me out that much, than I don't want to do that. I am just trying to figure out what I should sale or offer that will be best. Obviously that migh depend on the regulars that play there and for new people that want to get into the sport.

The fields themselves will be good sizes and I am working at getting the exact location that will be 10 acres or one that will be more around 20 acres. I am not sure what will be best and I can do either but any input on how much my size should be, would be ideal. Having one that will have some woods in it will make it easier on me for a woodsball field, but will be ok if I don't because than I can focus more on tactical fielding and running buildings for scenario games. The more work I put into the actual courses depending on how my setup is the better I will be.

I appreciate the gun packages that you guys have listed so far and looked into them. I am generate more cost reports on what I will be looking at. I thought that would be a good idea to run like starter gun set and a premium gun set. From there I can talk to people that starting to get premium gun rental packages about getting their own markers. I want to ahve a good relationship with the people coming over and playing at my field.:P

I want to try to get bathroom setup as well and might ahve to run some plumbing with a well system. If anything I can run porta johns, but I know those can get disgusting quickly and will need them cleaned probably every 2 to 3 hours. I rather might spend more on just getting an actual bathroom though.

I will be testing the chronos first to make sure they are clocking the same so when refs do field checks they will generate the same outcome.

As far the the paint, I know its good to ahve at least 3 options of paint that go from decent to high grade. I will keep them in regulated air temperature and moisture so they stay well shelled and not have leaks. I also know to opent he boxes prior to selling to check for any broken balls is good business too. This way you can always have eyes on your paint to check for regularity and how they are performing in your controlled environment.

Overall Prices I am looking at it, I am military so I want to offer the actual discounts on military and family of military.

ALL Day Prices 12 dollars for military for all day play and Air Fills
ALL Day Prices 16 dollars for players and all day play and air Fills

These are just what I am looking at. I have seen prices like 20-30 dollars all day air/play. I just think that is too high and I want competitive prices. I also know a well knowledgable staff and manager will be a big plus. I don't like going to a field with refs that have no clue what is going on. So I might be looking for semi-pro players, experiences players for referees. From there I can have them do classes on incoming employees that are looking to work at my field. They can come in on the mornings before actual game times on weekends and get classes on what to look for and how to run the fields the best. They will also be able to go out with the refs and help them out and if they have questions on calls they make they will be able to assit them. It seems like the best method.

SAFETY will always be a big concern with me and I will have no problem giving peopel timeouts or bans for this type of conduct. Everyone wants to have a good time and enjoy themselves but don't be stupid about it.

KEEP UP WITH THE COMMENTS! I APPRECIATE ANY HELP THAT IS GIVEN TO ME AND WILL TAKE IN CONSIDERATION!!!
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Old June 7th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I don't have much to say on this because I'm not very business minded. What I will say is VERY important:

Do not open a field with the intention of making money. You will be in debt for years to come, and you will never make a living off of it.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 11:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I am definitely doing this out of fun. My main career is IT. That is my money maker But I love Paintball!
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Old June 7th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Ask Kee what they need for you to be a dealer. A buddy of mine was a Kee dealer and he sold paintball stuff out of his tire shop and I think all he said he needed was his business number. Kee has their hands in just about everything when it comes to gear so you'd pretty much be set as far as supplies go.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 11:28 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for that input, I have a big eye out for Kee Action Sports atm, and they have some pretty awesome deals and prices for store retailers.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 03:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
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kee has a starter kit if you know where to look

skip the store, get a field account and sell that way. my field just says, here's the catalog, we can order anything in for you
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Possibly you PM me some links? or Catalog Pages? Also if you have any input on what else I have put in this posting I would apprecaite it
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shoot kee an email. the stuff i was looking at yesterday is still 2010 materials
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Old June 8th, 2012, 02:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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if you are running this primarily as a speedball field i would try for a rental marker that has a double trigger just so the rental players will not feel super out-guned every game

nothing wrong with the flip top from a field perspective though

i think you should also take a good look at the invert helix THERMAL for a mask, i think as a renter i would have a lot more fun if i could see thoughout the whole day

paint-id look at the Draxxus line up, they have a pretty good spread and because it is coming from the same people you would not have to pay separate shipping for each grade
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Old June 8th, 2012, 02:36 AM   #13 (permalink)
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So is this going to be where in Texas?

Also Porta Johns are fine for the actual players, but I know that alot of people bring family to watch. So you don't need a lot of bathrooms just lying around but one at your shop would be good along with a diaper changing station.

Not really needed but on the weekends you could even give an option for a babysitter, at cost or not. It would be nice for some folk with younger kids.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 05:33 AM   #14 (permalink)
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portajohns actually don't need to be cleaned that often assuming they're in line of sight of most of the field. if you neglect them week after week, thats when they get dirty. i have ones at fields (not paintball) that are unwatched, and are probably cleaned once a week and are still bearable
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This will be around the Dallas Area for those who are wondering.

Well I was thinking I have like a set of 3 porta johns and than have like an indoor one as well.

I also agree with the rental markers ahving the double trigger feature. I want to make it to where there isn't a HUGE advantage over players. I also will have the refs knowledgable on making sure they split teams up properly based on skill and what not. I myself have a 2012 proto reflex rail. Having at least 4 fields possibly 5 will make it easier for those who might want to do some private gaming with just friends/co workers or Birthday Parties.

I want to be able to host Speedball Tournaments, but not be mostly primary. I want to do some very unique courses and I have all the supplies for it. Over time I figure I can do an indoor Scenario of like a close quarter Modern Warfare setup. Something like that a city and run scenraio based games and provide taht also as military training for them to come in and practice. I think that will be pretty freaking amazing and I will need more time to set that up. If my field is successful I will def do that and get an edge on competition in the area.

Keep up the feedback though guys! I appreciate it all. Also if you have ideas on field setups to going in detail on types of speedball inflatables to get to netting, I am here for all responses. Thanks to all who are supporting me in this.
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Just curious, how old are you? Also, I hope you have plenty of money to start a field. Im sure you can tell already they are quite expensive. Not trying to down you, I hope you can pull it off!

For netting- The PSP and NPPL use Paintball Netting :: Kpro paintball netting factory (according to his site). For outdoor netting, I would suggest his Hybrid netting. For indoor, you can get white or black "heavy" netting. He also has flame retardant if you think it would be needed.

The hardest part about the netting, is how you set it up. The insurance company you go with may give you requirements how to set it up. Like having at least a 4x4 pole every 10ft. People use anything from steel poles to telephone/electric poles.

Also, you wanting to put this in texas, they have some rough winds. So you will need to make sure you have netting set up so you can raise and lower it at will.


Bunkers- All of the big tournaments use SUP'AIRBALL TM - Adrenaline games bunkers. PSP, NPPL, Millenium, etc... They are expensive though. However, they are selling 2 used sets from PSP 2011 for $4500, they even give you a few new bunkers so it will be a complete 2012 field. Or used NPPL sets for $5800, and a few bunkers to make it 2012.

They also have air bunkers for "urban" and "jungle" fields as well.
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I am 25 years of age, and will be turning 26 in the next of coming months.

I am working with someone now that wants to split and cut cost with me. I am willing to possibly go with any strong partner that is willing to put the same amount of effort in it with me.

Money won't be a problem, due to, I saved a lot of money up for this and I am ready to do the work and have a lot of fun in the process. I figure having at least 20k to start with, should be alright, although I have more funds readily available. I am not sure what most people spend on their fields, but I should be ok to get it going. I am more concerned about the demographics of the area I am choosing and want to make sure I can possibly get some experienced players in to do the work for play method. I will see where it takes me and I hopefully will get some good support in the process.
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Thats a good sign.



Here is a link about air compressors. Paintball compressor

This will give you an idea about how expensive they are. They range from $6300 to $13000. They come with everything though, you can pick gas operated or electric( I would suggest electric if possible). They come with a fill station that fills 3000 or 4500 psi.

They are obviously cheaper options out there, but if you want the best set up possible, something like this is what you want.


Insurance-

Insurance for Paintball family fun parks inflatables pilot cars rock walls Cossio right now is big in the paintball industry. D-day, Pevs, camp pendelton paintball all use this and plenty more. They have a pretty informative powerpoint presentation they had a guy do at the paintball extravaganda this year as well. It is pretty long, but if you want to do a field I would suggest going through it. http://www.cossioinsurance.com/downl...sentation.pptx

I believe a few years ago the cost per year was around $2000 for the average field.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 12:24 PM   #19 (permalink)
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20k is not a bad start, the only issue is a compressor, even used is going to take about 5k of that

on the other hand you could run a bunch of 50lb 3k tanks in cascade to start but in my experience fields that do not start with a compressor typically dont get one in the long run and they suffer because of it as well

so with a compressor taken care of and a good bunker setup costing you about another 5k you have already eaten halfway through your budget and dont have gear setups, insurance, turf or netting....
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I never said 20k is my complete budget, I have a lot more for budgeting, but I am trying to get that rough estimate. I can go up to 40 to 50k on budgeting. But at same time I want to be cost effective. Don't spend more money than I should, as well as spend more on things that will need it for long run. Just trying to be smart about it. This is def a big project and I am excited but anxious at the same time. I should be good with the maximum budgeting I have and I want to do it right.
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