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greek621 · October 15th, 03:04 PM

Which is better, the Pirhana EVO or the Diablo Wrath LED OR the Diablo Wrath LTD???????

**H4voc** · October 15th, 03:30 PM

the wrath LTD is a uppped version of the wrath..if u spend the 230$ for that u just waisted $230. because the ion will tear that appart. ion> all that u listed imo.
but betwween the wrath LCD just because it isnt more than an ion. but in all hoonesty just get an ion

**the_real_kaz** · October 15th, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SY havoc

the wrath LTD is a uppped version of the wrath..if u spend the 230$ for that u just waisted $230. because the ion will tear that appart. ion> all that u listed imo.
but betwween the wrath LCD just because it isnt more than an ion. but in all hoonesty just get an ion

lol DON"T LISTEN TO THIS GUY AT ALL. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE"S TALKING ABOUT. Have you ever shot an LTD? I've compared them side by side. The LTD is better then the stock Ion by far.
List of reasons why the LTD is better.
1. The trigger is way better then the ions.
2. The stock barrel is better
3. The feed neck is way better, it clampes and it's shorter.
4. The stock regulator is better, better consistancy
5. The stock board is alot better then the Ions
6. LTD has an LCD screen, Ion has a blinking light
7 The LTD is not plastic.

Idk how you can say a stock Ion is better.........

**whitty_1** · October 16th, 02:22 PM

there is no way that the wrath ltd trigger is better than the ions. it just hangs there and really sucks IMO. even with rare earth magnets, its not as good as the stock ions.

and comparing my ion and my friends wrath ltd side by side, go for the ion. my friend has never gotten the wrath to stop chopping or blowng up paint. right out of the box it chops, and while it most likely can be tuned to be really good, its harder to tune than the ion.

the one part i like better about the wrath is the LCD and the adjustable debounce. and the ion is NOT plastic. just the outer body shell is. the internals are aluminum or some other metal.

i would take an ion over the wrath if i was you.

**the_real_kaz** · October 16th, 03:20 PM

The ion trigger is so much slower then the wraths. Its not even close in speed. The wraths trigger is a lot loser then the Ion's but thats what makes it so much faster. Give the guns to a kid thats never shot them. Have him take them over a chrono on bps mode and have him walk both the triggers. You can get the wrath shooting faster without having to practice with the gun for years.

If your freind is blowing up paint in the barrel, its a paint/barrel match problem, and if he's chopping, he has the eyes off, or dosn't have the pressure right (to much pressure). The reason it "choped" right out of the box was becouse he wasn't operating it right. Eaither his reg wasn't set up right or he needed to lube the bolt, or something easyly fixed. possibly even turn the allen nut on the back of the bolt to restrict air flow to the paintballs. Eaither way, your freind didn't have his wrath set up right.

Poltergeist · October 16th, 04:44 PM

Wrath ltd or even the wrath for that matter. Btw, the wrath blows the ion out of the water.

Edit: Ive also shot both the ion and the wrath. The ion trigger is ass.

**M4Maniac** · October 16th, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the_real_kaz

lol DON"T LISTEN TO THIS GUY AT ALL. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE"S TALKING ABOUT. Have you ever shot an LTD? I've compared them side by side. The LTD is better then the stock Ion by far.
List of reasons why the LTD is better.
1. The trigger is way better then the ions.
2. The stock barrel is better
3. The feed neck is way better, it clampes and it's shorter.
4. The stock regulator is better, better consistancy
5. The stock board is alot better then the Ions
6. LTD has an LCD screen, Ion has a blinking light
7 The LTD is not plastic.

Idk how you can say a stock Ion is better.........

You're the one who doesn't have a clue what you're talking about.
1. Wrong. Wrath triggers suck giant monkey balls. They just hang there, and you practically have to pull them back out because the "earth magnets" suck.

2. Wrong again. I've compared the accuracy of both barrels, and in all honesty the stock Ion barrel gives ball-on-ball accuracy.... it's just kinda loud and not too efficient. The Wrath barrel sucks all around.

3. I will agree with you there... about half the time. I've had a few friends' wrath feednecks fall apart when they clamped it shut.

4. Wrong again. Why do you think they use the Ion reg in the NXT shocker? Apparently you haven't shot a broken-in Ion reg, with the board on the right dwell.

5. You're somewhat right about that..... Wrath boards are known in my experience to short circuit and drain a 9v a day (no exxageration).

6. Personal Preference... I like the LED's because they take up less space and don't break nearly as easily.

7. THE ION IS NOT PLASTIC! The only plastic parts are the trigger and body. The frame is made of aluminum, along with the breech... I think the bolt may be plastic but w/e.

Wrath quality control sucks too.... soooo many have Ram problems and **** like that its crazy.

**pballa12** · October 16th, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the_real_kaz

lol DON"T LISTEN TO THIS GUY AT ALL. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE"S TALKING ABOUT. Have you ever shot an LTD? I've compared them side by side. The LTD is better then the stock Ion by far.
List of reasons why the LTD is better.
1. The trigger is way better then the ions.
2. The stock barrel is better
3. The feed neck is way better, it clampes and it's shorter.
4. The stock regulator is better, better consistancy
5. The stock board is alot better then the Ions
6. LTD has an LCD screen, Ion has a blinking light
7 The LTD is not plastic.

Idk how you can say a stock Ion is better.........

lol havnt been on much but i see ur still anti ion.

Go wit the promaster its in the price range of the wrath

**the_real_kaz** · October 16th, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by M98Man

1. Wrong. Wrath triggers suck giant monkey balls. They just hang there, and you practically have to pull them back out because the "earth magnets" suck.

2. Wrong again. I've compared the accuracy of both barrels, and in all honesty the stock Ion barrel gives ball-on-ball accuracy.... it's just kinda loud and not too efficient. The Wrath barrel sucks all around.

3. I will agree with you there... about half the time. I've had a few friends' wrath feednecks fall apart when they clamped it shut.

4. Wrong again. Why do you think they use the Ion reg in the NXT shocker? Apparently you haven't shot a broken-in Ion reg, with the board on the right dwell.

5. You're somewhat right about that..... Wrath boards are known in my experience to short circuit and drain a 9v a day (no exxageration).

6. Personal Preference... I like the LED's because they take up less space and don't break nearly as easily.

7. THE ION IS NOT PLASTIC! The only plastic parts are the trigger and body. The frame is made of aluminum, along with the breech... I think the bolt may be plastic but w/e.

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1. I already explained that the Wraths trigger is a lot faster then the Ions stock trigger. Triggers are personal prefrence, but when handed to a newer player, they will be able to pull the wraths trigger faster because of the losesness of it.

2. The LTD stock barrel is what I am taking about. Different from the orginal wraths stock barrel. Its 14 inches, and isn't that bad at all.

4. The wraths regulator is a copy of the Torpedo regulator. used in pro's.

5. Again, talking about the Wrath LTD board, different from the Wraths board. I havn't had any problems with mine. I played an all day and night senerio with it (Started at 10 am and ended at midnight) and didn't need to change the batt. Though it did need a new one after that, but idk what wouldn't after being used for that long. (not just turned on and sat there)

6. Yes LED is personal preference, but i still say its nicer.

7.The plastic part is a joke, lol i'm just making fun of it's ugly body. lol don't have to get so mad about that lol.

I'm not totally "anti-ion" I'm more I am infavor of better guns at practically the same price.

With the new promaster price drop, you might want to get that.

**whitty_1** · October 16th, 08:45 PM

the only reason the wraths trigger can shoot faster out of the box than the ion is beause you can set the debounce to 1 and you get really crazy bounce, like i was outshooting an egg with it. but it still sucks..

and yes you are right in that my friend doesnt have it set up correctly, but he took it out of the box, gassed it up, put some paint in, and it chopped on the first shot. i think that a gun should come ready to use from the factory and not need any further adjustments.

and also to TS, i just thought of a good idea. get a kingman vs2. those are supposed to be really good, but wait a bit so they can get the bugs worked out.

***diablo14*** · October 17th, 02:40 PM

Ions triggers are awsome when you take out the magenet and the ion has less matenince...if you get a good ion but thats beside the point

**Chris Kringle** · October 17th, 05:26 PM

ANYONE who thinks even for a second that any wrath is better than an ion should probably slam thier fingers ina door to keep them from posting for a quite a while.

It's not even worth explaining. It's common sense. The ion is better.

**kenny_1491** · October 17th, 05:35 PM

i agree with half the people up here, ions blow wraths outta the water, wraths have had many problems with there noid and other internals, the trigger is good for nothing, the reg is known for crappin up, and the feedneck has had its problems. the only thing with the ion is that it isnt the most efficient gun out of the box, but for about 30 bucks you can fix that, it is accurate outta the box, pretty quiete, and very light, that and ions are fully electro pnuematic, wraths are pnuematic with a spring return ram(i think thats how you define it) meaning slower cycles, and an ion is spoolvalvish.

ion>wraths

**the_real_kaz** · October 17th, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny_1491

ions are fully electro pnuematic, wraths are pnuematic with a spring return ram(i think thats how you define it) meaning slower cycles, and an ion is spoolvalvish.

ion>wraths

The wrath LTD has a faster cycle rate then the Ion. not my fault, it's the truth. lol

I think some people are confusing the LTD with the orginal wrath.

Wrath LTD>Ion

Ion>Original Wrath.

**kenny_1491** · October 17th, 06:51 PM

it is capped higher then the ion, but the spring return slows its cycle rate by alot, the ion will be able to shoot alot faster then the ltd even though the ltd has a higher cap

**the_real_kaz** · October 17th, 06:56 PM

.... mmmmmm the chrono dosent say so.... The stock ion is capped before it can hit it's max cycle rate, while the LTD is not. If you put em both on full auto with a nice hopper, the Ion would shoot what 17? or is 15 bps, idk, anyway the LTD would shoot faster, like 20 bps.

**kenny_1491** · October 17th, 07:08 PM

exactly, the ion is capped at 17(on full auto 10), the ltd will hit faster because it is capped higher, but it wont be able to cycle as fast as an ion.

**PizzaMiLiTiA** · October 17th, 07:39 PM

As far as I'm concerned, the Ion is superior to the Wrath in all of the following respects:

-AFTERMARKET: The Ion is one of, if not THE single most customizable markers ever produced. Every single thing is upgradeable on the gun.

-CONSISTENCY: Out of the box, the Ion will shoot +-5. That's without being broken in or tuned.

-WEIGHT: The Ion is lighter, end of story.

-PROFILE: The Ion is smaller and shorter than the Wrath.

-SIMPLICITY OF DESIGN: One moving part. That's it. If it breaks, you did something wrong.

-EASE OF MAINTENANCE: Excluding the reg, there's one part on the gun that you have to lube. Rarely. And every 10 cases or so you're supposed to clean the so