swab

this Smart Parts Ion with Virtue Board, Proto Barrel, FireBolt


or

this autococker with all this stuff



all i want is a gun that shoots straight at far distances, and im looking on ebay, so im sure ill get a deal on a good gun.

what guns have not to much maintance and shoot straight at far distances?



PS: iv played paintball before with friends in the woods and none of our guns shot straight, but they were all walmart except one tipman but that wasnt straight either

DarkTamer

If this is your first gun or you have no experience with either type of gun, than neither. If you're adamant about getting one of them, the Ion.

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KILL4DATHRILL

If you have no experience with guns, as DarkTamer said, neither of them. They are both pains to maintain.
BUT......

If you are going to get one, then I would DEFINITELY get the autococker. It would be a much better shooter in my experience. It looks pretty upgraded from the outside things I can see and they will have much higher resale.

If you want an easy to maintain good starter gun I would get the Spyder VS2. Hope this helps.

swab

yes this is going to be my first gun.

really, i didnt think much stuff goes wrong with the guns. what does a lot of maintenance actually mean, like how much?

all i want is a gun that shoots straight at far distances, and im looking on ebay, so im sure ill get a deal on a good gun.

what guns have not to much maintance and shoot straight at far distances?

and how you said the Spyder VS2, is that only that gun, or is all spyders good?



PS: iv played paintball before with friends in the woods and none of our guns shot straight, but they were all walmart except one tipman but that wasnt straight either

martix_agent

by the way yu're talking , you shouldn't be looking at markers like that quite yet. look at spyders or something like that. Any newer spyder will work well. the older ones had random problems but still preformed well.

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DarkTamer

The maintenence varies a lot depending on the gun. Regular maintenence is pretty much non-existent with the autococker, however they need to be "timed" which can be a bit confusing for new users, and just adds to the confusion when problems arise. Other guns don't really need to be timed, they just need to be assembled properly and they will work. Plus, autocockers are closed bolt; I don't feel like explaining exactly what that means, but one problem you might run into is that the balls can roll out of the barrel if they're too small when you're not shooting, unless you get a barrel kit and take the time to match the paint to the barrel every time you play. Some people prefer to ignore it, as once you start shooting this problem doesn't matter much. However your first shot might be nothing but air...

The ion does not need to be timed, and is not closed bolt, however you need to lube (with lube designed for spool-valve style paintball markers, not oil or any lubricant not meant for paintball markers) the bolt assembly fairly often (before every use is ideal), and do that you need to take apart pretty much the entire marker. This is a problem because for starters, that can get very annoying and tedious especially when it's just the bolt you're trying to get to. Secondly, the internals, particularly the electronics, are rather fragile, and with them being handled so often, the likelihood of them breaking is high, even more so in the hands of an un-experienced user.

Accuracy is mostly paint quality and barrel quality, as well as the paint to barrel bore match. Also, all paintball fields have a velocity limit, usually 280fps. Assuming every gun is set to shoot 280fps, they will all shoot the same distance. The barrels on those two markers are roughly the same quality, so assuming the paint is the same as well and the barrels are the same bore, they will have more or less the same accuracy, either at close or long distance.


From those guns, I'm guessing your price range is $250ish. I'd suggest looking at (in particular order):
Proto SLG (costs $250 new; I'm not sure if you can use CO2 with it, I'm guessing it's not recommended)
Proto PMR (you can find them for $200ish depending on upgrades; you however cannot use CO2 with it)
Smart Parts Ion XE ($225 new; it's still an Ion, but maintenence has been made much easier)
Spyder VS1 (costs $140 new; very easy maintenece, but probably the worst overall performance)
Spyder VS2 (Costs $155 new; very easy maintenence, but it's not recommended to use CO2 with it)
Invert Mini (You might be able to find one for $250 if you look hard enough)


If you're not buying immediately, you might want to check the link in my sig once I update it to V3, which should be by the end of the week.

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swab

thanks for such a good post, that helped.

i looked at all your guns listed on ebay and i didnt find a price i liked.

i found one mini but its still one more day for the bid to end and if the price is good ill get it.

i was kind of looking to spend no more then $270 for the gun and gear.

keep in mind i am not buying a new one so im finding good ones for good prices.

i looked on youtube how to time an autococker, and it doesnt look that hard, just how many times will i be timing it if i only play 2-3 times a month

tlmiller

If you get yourself a thing of BLUE locktite, most cockers only require retiming once every couple years.

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swab

i think i can live with timing guns.

now i just need to see witch gun does the best on the bid.

i might get an angel, autococker, or mini

DarkTamer

It's certainly not every couple of years. With a used cocker, your lack of experience, and playing that often, more realistically it will be something like, 2-4 times the first year, and 1-2 times a year after that.

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paintballa_14

well if u dont get an autococker at least get smartparts ion that way you can at least cutimize it completely with an auto cocker u cant custimize unless u spend another 200 on a new grip frame then a board so like 300 just to custimize so with a biginer like u go with the ion the after 2 or 3 years GET AN AUTOCOCKER i have one there are great intermedite guns But dont think u can custimize i woith a bog whole in the wallet

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autococker

tlmiller

A friend has a Dragunfly that I timed for him before selling it to him. It's been 5 years since it's been timed, and still perfectly timed. Correct timing + blue locktite = Not having to retime for a long time.

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