So your going to make PBF like homework... I don't like that idea...
Anyway the correct answer is the 98.
What!? Cause that 98 you had was problem free. Spyders are a lot easier to maintain and to take care of. Over the long run they do require some small parts to keep running (such as a spring which is like $2.50) and thats it. Freaking 98's are such a pain in the ass to take apart. Ive had to clean and fix many a 98 in my day and i hate hate taking them apart, that whole clam shell design sucks balls.
What!? Cause that 98 you had was problem free. Spyders are a lot easier to maintain and to take care of. Over the long run they do require some small parts to keep running (such as a spring which is like $2.50) and thats it. Freaking 98's are such a pain in the ass to take apart. Ive had to clean and fix many a 98 in my day and i hate hate taking them apart, that whole clam shell design sucks balls.
and ill agree with this. the split shell design is NOT noob friendly and part of paintball is maintaining your equipment. field stripping a spyder is much easier while field stripping a 98, well it might as well be full disassembaly. theres no real "field strip" when it comes to tippys. i had a spyder clone as a first marker, very simple, i think there was only one situation when i couldnt solve a problem myself and had to call the shop to talk to their tech.
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1st of all were not in war. If we were then give me a gun that takes a beating.
However, the clam shell design blows. I dont want to take a half hour to clean a gun. With a spyder i can totally disassemble a spyder, clean it, and put it back together with in 2 min easy. Spyders take a beating and keep on going, ive had the same spyder for 7 years. All ive had to do is change teh spring in it and it still works beautifully. Plus if **** gets wild and crazy on the field i can get all my internals out in a blink of an eye with a spyder. Plus spyders are so much more comfortable to shoot than a long 98.
Kaz, you get like an F-- biatch
We should compare the problems you had with your 98 to my spyder. Oh wait, maybe thats not a fair comparison, after all it is you an i know every gun you touch some how has a way to get royally ****ed from time to time
trbo and volkers... your both getting F's for this thread. sorry, better luck next time.
HA! that was funny
may want to look into modern times, tippys are not the markers they used to be, yes its a prooven design but now its like playing with a relic, they took the same basic design of the 98 and put it in the a5, so i ask you, wheres the inovation? why should i support a company that desides not to keep up with the times? not to mention the only thing they have seemed to change in the last 10 years is the sear on the basic 98, they made it worse, it wears out faster, so lets see, the 98 is longer heavier slower harder to work on and probably more expensive, so why should i or anyone else choose that over a spyder that is going to be lighter smaller faster and easier to work on?
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I hate to say it but tippmann does have innovation. I liked the old tippmann better before the buyout but new tippmann isnt too shabby. The C3 was pretty innovative and now their coming out with upgrades for the 98 that werent previously there. I mean there crawling forward but the VS series in the spyder line up is way better than anything tippmann has come out with. Tippmanns are just too heavy and too much of a hassle in todays paintball world where you need efficiency and ease of maintenance to compete. Sure you can beat the **** out of them but i question why you would want to. A spyder can endure a lot and if you put it through that much punishment i seriously consider you changing the way you to take of your stuff.
and now their coming out with upgrades for the 98 that werent previously there.
yes they are coming out with upgrades but its not like they are incorperating them onto the basic model 98, they are selling them as add ons, so if you were to add up the price of all these add ons that it takes in order to make a 98 compete with something like a vs1 what do you think the price tag would be? a lot more than a vs1 thats what, and you would still have to deal with the length/weight/maintainance issues.
as much as i hate to say it look at smart parts, their markers cycle through, the impulse used to be the best technology they had then the shocker came out and it got bumped, the ion tucked in nicely under it and then the epiphany kinda replaced it even though its just a dressed up ion, so if they are going to follow this pattern maybe we will see a new shocker next, my point is they are replacing the technology as it gets old, something i think tippmann should try
BUT, heres the issue, as i stated in a previous thred, the 98 is a familiar marker, its something new players associate with and want because its the one they had as a rental, so heres what i think tippman should really do, come out with a new 98c, same name, new beast, shorten it, make it faster and much easier to work on, ditch the clam shell in favor of milled aluminum. give it roufghly the same apperance but redesign everything inside. i think that would really help them as the technology for the current 98 just gets older and older
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so heres what i think tippman should really do, come out with a new 98c, same name, new beast, shorten it, make it faster and much easier to work on, ditch the clam shell in favor of milled aluminum. give it roufghly the same apperance but redesign everything inside. i think that would really help them as the technology for the current 98 just gets older and older
Kind of like a BT4? Tippmann just released the 98C Platinum that addressed a lot of the problem of the 98 Custom there isn't much else you can do to tweak the inline blowback design it is just going to be longer but some players like that.
As for the C3 Critique:
The C3 was the most innovative marker produced in a long time most markers sold today are rehashes of old technology no matter how the anno looks or how many bps the manufacturers can squeeze out there are very few revolutionary ideas in paintball. Take a look at a Spyder today and then look at a VM68 the design may have been refined but it isn't anything new. Innovative doesn't always mean commercial success either and commercial success doesn't always go to the best ideas or most advanced technology. I'll give Tippmann props for daring to be different if more companies would be willing to take a risk who knows how much better markers could get? In the meantime I guess we'll have to settle for an Ego that is 1/3 of an ounce lighter than the last model.
Kind of like a BT4? Tippmann just released the 98C Platinum that addressed a lot of the problem of the 98 Custom there isn't much else you can do to tweak the inline blowback design it is just going to be longer but some players like that.
As for the C3 Critique:
The C3 was the most innovative marker produced in a long time most markers sold today are rehashes of old technology no matter how the anno looks or how many bps the manufacturers can squeeze out there are very few revolutionary ideas in paintball. Take a look at a Spyder today and then look at a VM68 the design may have been refined but it isn't anything new. Innovative doesn't always mean commercial success either and commercial success doesn't always go to the best ideas or most advanced technology. I'll give Tippmann props for daring to be different if more companies would be willing to take a risk who knows how much better markers could get? In the meantime I guess we'll have to settle for an Ego that is 1/3 of an ounce lighter than the last model.
Switching from co2 to propane as your propellant is not more innovative than the VS2...they switched fromworking on co2 to compressed air. Only co2 is EASIER to get refilled than propane. So the C3 was a failure. Or do you mean that it was a pump was innovative...the technology that's been used in paintball since before it was a sport? Definitely no "innovation" there. Nelson has them beat on the pump innovation by a good 30 years.
Tippmann just released the 98C Platinum that addressed a lot of the problem of the 98 Custom there isn't much else you can do to tweak the inline blowback design it is just going to be longer but some players like that.
of corse theres something you can tweek and improove, why do you think a new dm, pm and ego marker are released every year?, if each was exactly the same nobody would buy the new model, granted im not saying tippmann do this it would kill the hold on the retal market they have but idk lets say every 5 years they do an overhaul of the basic 98, or maybe just update the bolt but use the same shell, that way any field using the 98 would have the option of updating them, i mean im just spitting out ideas here and they sure seem like winners to me. when was the release year for the 98? im not positive but it seems to me that you could now have two generations of paintballers using the same exact new marker.
forget all the platnum edditions and special editions, when you compare base models you really get a feel for what a company is putting out.
its come to the point that tippmann is now starting to loose their hold on the rental market in favor of pirahnas and vibes because, when you have new players with their own equipment walking on the field with vs1s and ions, and also new players with rental 98s its not a huge contest, in order to make it more fair they are starting to switch. Personally i think if tippmann doesnt do something about this in the next 5 years they will see a sharp drop in 98 sales in favor of vibes or pirahnas because the 98 will nolonger be the marker new players are familier with, i have no doubt the a5 will still do ok as many places have already switched to those, but not nearly enough to make up for the potential loss of the 98 rental market
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Kingman Spyder Vs. Tippmann 98
TIPPMANN SUCKS
