I'd take an XE over a SLG. Although it does require a feed neck and on/off out of the box, which the SLG doesn't, it's very much a superior system. The XE shoots nicer out of the box, and with a $10-$20 QEV, will shoot worlds better than the SLG ever could once it's tuned right. Just don't waste too much on upgrading it. Feed neck, on/off, QEV, and a trigger if you can't tolerate the stock, that's it. Although bolts help make them shoot even nicer, they don't help enough to justify the price.
As far as the SLG, if you get one, buy used. yes, they're one of the NICEST sear tripper markers made. But they're still a sear tripper, and not on the level of true electropneumatics.
agreed, SLG is still a sear tripper at the end of the day, for the price you can do much better
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blue to black dm6
hyper 3
top hat mod
laser eyes
CP flow plug
32 degrees drop forward (yes i like my drop forwards)
cp micro on/off asa
deadly winds 14" fibur barrel with full freak
Dye rotor with speed feed
centerflag 68/4500 with on/off
ion xe and pmr oporate on the same concept but there is no dobt in my mind the pmr does it better, as for the price however, you are going to be paying more for the PMR over the xe so it just comes down to your budget
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blue to black dm6
hyper 3
top hat mod
laser eyes
CP flow plug
32 degrees drop forward (yes i like my drop forwards)
cp micro on/off asa
deadly winds 14" fibur barrel with full freak
Dye rotor with speed feed
centerflag 68/4500 with on/off
What about the smart parts vibe with a black heart board? I've heard some good things about that, but don't know if it's better than the XE. Since the price between the two is so little, I'm really only interested performance wise, and primarily durability. Thanks.
ion xe and pmr oporate on the same concept but there is no dobt in my mind the pmr does it better, as for the price however, you are going to be paying more for the PMR over the xe so it just comes down to your budget
To rephrase trbos edits:
SLG= blowforward (Low end)
PMR= Unbalanced spool (low mid-range)
Ion XE= Ion = bad.
Also isn't an unbalanced spool just another name for blowforward.
So the only real difference is the sear tripping.. mmm okay. I didn't not know that before. Thanks.
db0ne, I'm using the simple property of mathamatical equality to prove the the Ion XE is bad. You see everyone knows that the orginal Ion was bad. Full of low quality parts and poor design. At the same time, everyone knows that the Ion XE is practically the same thing as the orginal Ion with a few changes here and there.
Therefore: Ion= Bad and Ion XE=Ion, so we can conclude that Ion XE=Bad as well.
But that really isn't right. The problem with the original Ion wasn't the parts, it was the fact you had to tear it apart to do something so simple as lube the bolt. The parts themselves are the same quality as from every other major Paintball company on the planet. The XE, while still a high low end or a low mid-grade marker, is most definitely not a bad marker. yes, SP is a horrid company, but they produced a good marker with the XE, and a great marker with the Blackheart Vibe.
Hey guys, I'm still a bit indecisive. You've all been a great help, and I've narrowed down a bunch of markers, so I just thought I'd kinda restate what's important to me, and what isn't and maybe you guys can tell me what will be best for that.
What I DON'T care about:
So, I don't really care to much about rof, anything over 10bps should be fine (remember, I'm upgrading from my 98c)
Also, I'm running it on HPA, so it doesn't need to be C02 capable, nor is the ability to do so a plus.
Looks, I mean, I don't care THAT much for them, so unless it's like some pukecolor or has fake blood on it, I don't really care about looks.
What I DO care about:
I know I've said this before, but I want something dependable. I got my 98c 'cause I heard they don't break, and I haven't had any problems with mine . I want my upgrade to be (almost) as dependable as my 98c is. I do regular maintenance on all my markers, so really as long as no parts break, and there are no leak issues reported on the marker, then I'm .
I'm pretty big on accuracy, so even though I'll most likely purchase an aftermarket barrel, some guns are just more accurate than others.
And the lighter the better .
Again, I'd like to keep it under $300, and I prefer buying new, but I open to buying used if the marker is durable enough to assume that nothing has/will happen to it.
Thanks again for all your help, hopefully I'll be choosing a marker pretty soon!
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Reason: Forgot to add my price range :p
i think slg should go last because i cant stand the trigger and just dont like the feel of it
So the zenith is better than the XE? But I thought it was a sear tripper, whereas the XE is a true electro pneumatic. Why do you say zenith over ionXE?
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how can you even throw the spec r in there? It hasnt even come out yet.
Although it will be better we have to see how it shoots and how much it will cost.
SLG is a sear tripped blowforward, XE is an unbalanced spool, XE>SLG for sure, and kaz while they do have similarities the unbalanced spool is still an elecropneumatic marker while the sear tripped marker can not claim the same, you have control over dwell with the XE and can not do the same with a mechanical blowforward (or even a pancake noid tripped sear)
heres how i would put it
PMR > XE > G3(even though i still dont trust it) > SLG > Blitz > throwing paintballs > ion
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blue to black dm6
hyper 3
top hat mod
laser eyes
CP flow plug
32 degrees drop forward (yes i like my drop forwards)
cp micro on/off asa
deadly winds 14" fibur barrel with full freak
Dye rotor with speed feed
centerflag 68/4500 with on/off
SLG basic has a better board. It is probably the best budget tournament marker out there (NEW) IMO. It shoot great for a sear tripper, great board great on air, you dont have to worry about chops, uber easy maintenence (no springs just lube), light, quiet, not mention its 200 bucks. I wouldnt mind having ION XE (black heart) myself just to upgrade and personalize it (For a project), but its pricy and needs a feedneck.
ION XE is not better than a SLG, ION XE Black heart yes its better but it will cost you maybe 320 dollars (NEW) with no feedneck LOL, give me the SLG basic and I will buy some other equipment (rotor, paint, fees, pants, pads etc.) with the extra 120. (Im talking new and on a budget)
Another thing whats the deal with sear trippers why dont that appeal to some? I dont understand it shoots great.
Because it shoots NOWHERE near as smooth as a real electropneumatic. It's simply in a lower class, that's why you don't see sear trippers in tournaments, they simply don't shoot as well as a true ep. Nothing you can ever do to a sear tripper can change that. I'm in agreement that the SLG is below all the EP's. You want a basic tournament marker for $200? Blackheart Vibe. Clamping neck, on/off, true ep, eyes, for $220. Decimates the SLG in how well it shoots, yet only costs a few dollars more.
Zenith, Blitz, SLG, Ion, or G3?
. I want my upgrade to be (almost) as dependable as my 98c is. I do regular maintenance on all my markers, so really as long as no parts break, and there are no leak issues reported on the marker, then I'm 
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