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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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valken proton vs planet eclipse etha

Looking for a cheap gun. Im looking for some knowledge on the valken proton and if compares or better then the pe etha or if there's a better gun in the price range. Thank you
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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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this really comes down to which one you like more. both are spools and both are a little different than other spools out there, the proton because it uses a clapper noid and the etha because it was designed to seal off the dump chamber in the firing sequence resulting in greater efficiency but a few more o-rings and parts to deal with as well
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Old November 19th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well i gotta say proton because its nicer and the etha feels kinda cheap in the hands
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Old November 19th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ive got the Aura that the Proton is based on and IMO, its not even close with how much better shooting and feeling it is compare to the Etha
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I haven't had the chance to shoot the Proton yet, but I didn't like the Etha when I shot it. Just throwing my two cents in there!
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Old November 20th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thank you all. Everything really helped out a lot, I'm kinda leaning towards the proton so if anyone else has info or reviews on it I'd appreciate it
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Old February 24th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Levare123, did you ever get that Proton? I'm trying to decide between the Proton, Reflex and Axe.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 08:28 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Levare123, did you ever get that Proton? I'm trying to decide between the Proton, Reflex and Axe.
The Reflex has the Dye complex issue (or at least mine does..and most others I know). When it works...its 2nd to none in the $300 range (because its identical to the Proto Rail in most every way outside aesthetics, solenoid, and has aluminum parts where the Rail is composite). The board is stupidly easy to program and takes seconds to set up.

The issues:
*You'll get more for your money buying the Rail over the Reflex, being able to invest in a barrel kit for the price of some fancy milling
*The Axe, new, is a $450 air rammed poppet valve that uses proprietary sized o-rings. Throw a ring? Contact Empire. They're nearly identical (mechanically) to the Mini...and the extra weight and size comes to you at a premium.
*I can't speak on the Proton.

For $50 more than the Axe, you can get an Etek4 LT. For about the price of a Proto Rail, you can get a used ETEK3 LT.
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ItsAdamG I did get the proton and I absolutely love it, its crazy easy to program and simple to maintain, I read forums saying the bolt would mess up and would not come out, and ramping would keep firing by itself but I have had no problems with it so far...my friend just got the reflex, hes only put one case of paint through it but so far he said its great, when I used it I liked how the feel of the trigger, it shot smooth and just felt good...I personally love the proton and don't think you can go wrong with it
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Old February 25th, 2013, 02:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Sweet guys thanks dprimmy I have not looked into the Etek series at all yet but I will, I hear better things out of the Axe than the Mini though?

Levare123 Yeah I heard about the problems with the Bolt and the Trigger and watched a video on how to permantly fix it which looked pretty easy. I think I am going to go with the Proton now I have heard nothing but great things from it from people who own it. I heard it goes through air a little quicker but thats fine I'm upgrading to a 4500 and plus the games I play are always short and I have maybe once ran out of air with a full 3000 psi tank on my spyder fenix 2012. Thanks man.
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Sweet guys thanks dprimmy I have not looked into the Etek series at all yet but I will, I hear better things out of the Axe than the Mini though?

The ETEK3/4 is a dual regulated fully pneumatic poppet valve marker. It functions nearly identically to the way its big brother (Ego) does. The marker cycles using a significantly lower quantity of air pressure than is used to propel the paintball/projectile. This lower amount of pressure reduces kick/recoil/barrel rise...as you have the same amount of mass moving with less force, so there's less kinetic energy to be deadened. This is the same reason that a Balance spool will characteristically fire smoother than an unbalanced spool.

Maintenance on either marker isn't going to be a chore - and the only damage or problems I've had with my ETEK came from me tinkering with it. The darn thing is a tank and I praise both TRBO and Miller for pushing me in that direction.

Mechanically - Axe and Mini use the same firing system. The Axe has more bolt-on type accessories and a $150 higher price tag than the $299 mini. I haven't done a side to side comparison of the mechanisms, but from schematic and pneumatic diagrams of both markers - they're air-rammed poppets made by the same distributor. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...I'd wager you can safely say it'll wander into the middle of the road like a duck too .

ETEKs and EGOs are fairly common at fields around the MidWest. Offer up a pod of paint and take it to the chrono range. Just...don't pass up an ETEK purchase without firing it first.
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Axe is a grown up Mini that has a non sucktastic trigger (micro switch instead of hall effects). Much more comfortable to hold for those who have larger hands, and of course, it has an on/off.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The ETEK3/4 is a dual regulated fully pneumatic poppet valve marker. It functions nearly identically to the way its big brother (Ego) does.
its not nearly identical, they function identically, bolts, rams, regulators can all be swapped between the two markers. they do use slightly different noids but in the big scheme of things thats like saying my civic DX runs much different than my sisters civic EX because her's has a sun roof

if you are debating between the ego and etek go etek. unless being able to say "I own a ego" is super important to you. from a performance standpoint the two markers are EXTREMLY similar. At the field one day I was using my etek and a guy there had a CLS ego (top of the line ego) so I asked to shoot it to see what the differences really were. there were only a few things I noticed 1) it was lighter but, he did have a smaller tank on it so it was hard to tell how much of that was the marker and how much was the tank 2) the grip was thinner, one thing I liked and 3) the trigger guard was much larger, another thing I liked

beyond those it sounded the same, kicked the same and shot the same

as for the mini vs the axe. internally they are nearly identical the only notable difference being the back cap on the axe so that marker is a tooless bolt removal

people say they are very different but you have to realize there are lots of fan boys out there as well who will just cling to saying it is the best thing since sliced bread

The most common one is that they shoot (and these are not my words) "completely differently" which is just an outright lie. Do they shoot different? sure, a little. The biggest difference is that the axe is smoother and typically has less barrel rise. The issue is that the only reason it is that way is because the marker as a whole is heavier than the mini as well as having the extended front grip also helps. but I would not say that makes it "completely different" by any means.
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The trigger difference is pretty huge. The mini trigger is really...well...bad. The Axe has a nice trigger. But yeah, beyond the physical size difference, weight, and the trigger, they're the same marker performance-wise.
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The axe also comes with a better stock bolt but there are bolts out their that will fit in both of them that shoot really nicely.
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One concern I have is how small the Proton is but people say it fits well, also what if I cannot get my hands on a gun that I want buy?
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One concern I have is how small the Proton is but people say it fits well, also what if I cannot get my hands on a gun that I want buy?
If you want the latest and flashiest space guns just hit up a paintball store that is what they do. If you don't have one nearby or yours is the type that only carries Tippmanns and anything with tactical rails...well you are online so you can find it somewhere. If your question is how can you try out a marker you can't find in a store you either have to ask to try one out the next time you see someone with one at the field or read enough reviews and watch enough videos to make an educated guess or just do what I do and spend the money and hope it all works out.
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The axe also comes with a better stock bolt but there are bolts out their that will fit in both of them that shoot really nicely.
better? it is the same bolt in both. the part numbers are the same, if you call empire and order part number 17532 they send you a bolt, they do not even know which marker you have
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The stock bolts are the same? Wow i just figured and went off what i have been told
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People say that to justify telling themselves it shoots better to justify upgrading from a Mini to an Axe.
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