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Old November 28th, 2012, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Spyder vs BT vs Planet Eclipse vs Tippmann vs Dangerous Power

Basically I want the best milsim/woodsball paintball gun out there for the cheapest price I can possily spend. I shoot cheap paintballs, I will most likely be using a cheap hopper, and I do not want to spend more then $350(don't even want to spend that much either). I want a reliable, accurate, efficient, and durable gun. I prefer guns that look realistic.

My first choice would probably be the new Spyder MR5 that is currently on pre-order. It looks good, it's got a bunch of customizablity for attachments, it's cheap($200-$250), and it's the only gun where the mag actually functions and you can shoot out of it without a hopper. Which is pretty cool in my opinion. But is this a good gun? Spyder is a pretty cheap brand and I don't know how reliable this will be. Has anybody had any experience with the MR series from Spyder? What about their e-triggers, like the Syder Fenix? Can you give me input on the Fenix and the MRX? The only problem I see is that the stock barrel probably doesn't fit the paint I use all that well and finding a replacement barrel that matches the flat black of the gun AND fits inside the attachment mounts might be difficult. But who knows?

My second choice would be the Planet Eclipse Etha. Planet Eclipse sounds like a pretty good brand and I assume it would be a more efficient and reliable gun. But still, I have no idea, that is why I'm here. I like it because it's got a lot customization options just like the MR5. If you get the mounting rails for it you can make it one of the coolest looking realistic gun out there. Although it doesn't have a mag, and it's over $100 more expensive. It's an option. If it's seriously THAT much better and it's worth the extra money to lose a few features and gain reliability and performance, then tell me.

My third choice is the BT Delta Elite. This gun looks like an awesome submachine gun. I'm thinking Empire and BT are good brands as well? This gun is in my price range and I like it for sure. It's got an upgraded barrel and the BT hopper so I'm thinking it might be the fastest shooting and most accurate right out of the box? Maybe not in the long run after barrel upgrades for the Etha or Spyder, but I don't have a clue. I still like the idea of the MR5 having a mag that actually works but I don't want to spend hundereds of dollars on a gun that isn't reliable and durable.

What else am I missing? I'm still open to "speed ball" type shaped guns, but I prefer a realistic looking gun for sure. I'm a beginner paintballer. I have multiple guns, I usually use an Azodin Kaos, Spyder Victor, or a JT Outkast. All cheap beginner guns. and I never really want to spend over $40 on a case of paintballs. I currently buy RPS stinger balls from Walmart and they are good balls for $30 and I'm not going to be buying expensive paint with a more expensive gun either, so if buying a Planet Eclipse Mega 9000 for $450 means I have to buy $80 cases of paint then forget it. I currently use CO2 but by the time I get the gun I will probably be switching to HPA. I am going to be getting a line cable for sure, to put the tank on my back and have a more realistic feel. I prefer spending the least amount of money on this gun so please refer me to the best gun you think fits me.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 10:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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out of those, the Etha is going to be the best marker. It's not built to be a low end blowback marker, and will out perform any of them

Dangerous power makes decent markers, but they're all kinda finicky

You may also want to look inot a smart parts SP-1 or vibe. Smart parts isn't around any more, so you'll have to find one used. GOG will still provide you service for them though, if need be.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 10:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Even with cheap paint and a stock barrel on the Etha will it really out perform other markers with stock barrels and cheap paint?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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you said "milsim" and "cheap" therefor there is no answer, anytime you dress up a marker, it gets expensive. sure you could get a mr5 on that budget, but you can also get a marker that will preform way batter

mags- a novelty, nothing more, look at it this way, at most you have maybe 15 rounds before you reload, the guy you are shooting at will more than likely have 200. the only way a mag makes sense is if you want a marker that can shoot first strike rounds (expensive as hell) through the mag and then also be hopper fed for everything else.

the etha, i assume you are talking about the tactical edition one, etha is a mid range marker, yes it is far better than the entry level stuff (tippmann,BT, spyder) it will be quieter, smoother, more efficient

Delta elite is just a tippmann 98 in a dress, the BT hopper im assuming is the rip clip, its just a halo B in a dress that can not be transfered onto any other marker

really the only marker that is on your list that is better than kaos you already have is the etha, everything else on your list is a sear tripped blowback like you already have.

a few things to understand,

1) no marker ever produced will be more accurate or have more range than any other marker using the same barrel and paint

2) the best way to increase accuracy is to shoot better paint

3) an expensive marker does not need expensive paint, expensive paint will show better results than cheap paint nomatter what marker it is put through

4) HPA will help with consistency and is a better system, switching to it will help you out even if you are still using your current marker(s)

5) remote lines have some downfalls, sure your marker is lighter but without a tank you then typically have to buy a stock to have something to rest your shoulder against as well as a pack to hold the tank and then you are always attached to your marker, off hand shooting is made much harder and remotes tend to try and snag on everything in the field.

6) this is paintball, not the military, when dressing up a marker for milsim you are really just making it worse and that is all. lets look at the BT delta elite and your azodin kaos since they are very similar. Kaos will be lighter, smaller, have the same performance and be cheaper. While im not saying you should forget about milsim if your heart is really set on it, you seem to also want to get some performance out of your marker and in that category you are taking a downfall out of all of this.

I have seen lots of players try the milsim thing, what i have noticed is this, typically they get the marker they want, then spend around 6 months using it, after that the novelty of the look wears off and then they get frustrated because their friends, who spent the same amount of money have more performance and then they sometimes try to upgrade the marker which typically only has a limited amount of things they can make better

i think you are at a point where you really need to decide which road to take. Personally i say go for performance and value, typically players are happier in the long run but at the end of the day it is your money, dowhatchawant
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Yeah that's the thing about the Etha I can dress it up and make it look all good for the kids and then I can take it off and it can be a regular lightweight marker. The new MR5 is First Strike round capatible, does that make it any better in your mind? The MR5 is $250 and the Etha would be $410 with the mount upgrades. I definately do want a gun that looks realistic, with a stock, with sights, lasers, flashlights, grips, bipods. I play in the woods and I don't want a little marker that is some bright color, and most of the speedball guns are fancy. I just want a black tactical marker and it seems like you have helped me narrow it down to the MR5 and the Etha so now I'm just wondering what you think about the 2 since the MR5 does shoot First Strke (even though they are expensive rounds I would actually probably load the mag with them.) $160 difference. In the end performance, reliability, and the ease of maintence will be the most important.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
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the mr5 does not preform any better than anything else that is a STBB just because it is FS capable. in reality every marker can shoot FS rounds but you have to remove the barrel, the MR5 just solves this step but that doesnt make the marker itself any higher preforming, just more convenient for FS rounds

even though it is a lot more expensive i think the etha is going to be your best bet since at the end of the day if it turns out you dont want to have the body kit on it. you can simply remove it. so while it is a lot more expensive you are getting a lot more performance and the ability to play around with milsim but not have to change markers if you dont like it down the road
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Shoot what's fun. "performance" is subjective, and its importance from person to person even more so.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 08:34 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Shoot what's fun.
^^This.

This is going to be the only factor that really matters to you. If the marker isn't fun to shoot, you'll be looking for something different.

To you - it may be fun to live out some military fantasy.

To me - I have issues with it.
*I don't want something that vaguely resembles a firearm pointed at me.
*I don't want to have my marker to weigh more than it absolutely needs to.


On a 95 degree day, at 1:30pm in 70% humidity, and after having already played for 4 hours - carrying something that weighs 15 pounds, lifting it to shoulder it, and sprinting with it in one hand...is not my idea of fun. I'm more likely to be headed to my car, than headed out to play another round on the field.


As far as "first strike" capable goes - as Trbo stated - every marker can use them, its just that some markers make this an easier feat than others. If this is a huge selling point for you - the decision has been made. BUT - based on your assessment of costs of markers -

a "case" of first strike rounds is 24 quantity of 8 round tubes. Simple math suggests:
24tubes * 8rounds/tube = 192 rounds.

This "case" retails for ~$140.

140 dollars / 192 rounds = 72.9 cents per round.


an untubed box of first strikes is 100 count.

40 dollars / 100 rounds = 40 cents per round.


Considering the 40-75 cent per round budget required for these - just being honest - a baller on a budget probably shouldn't look to consider them. Especially true when a regular case of paint is 2000 rounds for roughly the same cost anywhere but (what seems to be) Chicago and Georgia.

But...as always...my opinion. You're welcome to share it or throw it aside like a dorm room tissue.
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Thanks for the input you guys put in on the gun I should get. I'll probably get the MR5 to save the $200+ and I like the looks of the MR5 better even though I already know the Etha would be better. I do have some extra gear that I rent out to some other people. I was wondering what the best guns to get would be for renting out? Again, it's for woodsball. I want a durable, reliable, easy to use, easy to fix gun. Spyder Victor? Spyder Sonix? I see a lot of fields using Tippmann 98's but they are twice as expensive as a Victor. I have a couple Victor's and I already know they are easy to use and take apart and fix. I haven't had them very long so I don't know how good they are in the long run. I've never shot any Tippmanns or even held one let alone take it apart. Is it the way to go for renting out? I'm thinking the Sonix would be the best, for $70.00. If there's a better gun out there for rent then let me know. It's gotta be less then $150.00 for sure. I prefer less then $100.00 honestly. A Victor bundle with everything is $100.00, thats a perfect price.
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Thanks for the input you guys put in on the gun I should get. I'll probably get the MR5 to save the $200+ and I like the looks of the MR5 better even though I already know the Etha would be better. I do have some extra gear that I rent out to some other people. I was wondering what the best guns to get would be for renting out? Again, it's for woodsball. I want a durable, reliable, easy to use, easy to fix gun. Spyder Victor? Spyder Sonix? I see a lot of fields using Tippmann 98's but they are twice as expensive as a Victor. I have a couple Victor's and I already know they are easy to use and take apart and fix. I haven't had them very long so I don't know how good they are in the long run. I've never shot any Tippmanns or even held one let alone take it apart. Is it the way to go for renting out? I'm thinking the Sonix would be the best, for $70.00. If there's a better gun out there for rent then let me know. It's gotta be less then $150.00 for sure. I prefer less then $100.00 honestly. A Victor bundle with everything is $100.00, thats a perfect price.
And what about the Empire ER3?
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What's the price? It's a Spyder in all but name, operates exactly the same as the Victor.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 05:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Empire ER3 $74.00
Tippmann 98 Custom $120.00
Spyder Victor $60.00
Spyder Sonix $70.00

Most reliable and durable?
Cheapest and easiest maintence?
Best bang for your buck?
I already know that they will all shoot very similar.
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Empire ER3 $74.00
Tippmann 98 Custom $120.00
Spyder Victor $60.00
Spyder Sonix $70.00

Most reliable and durable?
Pretty much all the same. None of them are significantly more durable than any of the others (taking into account I've never seen an ER3), despite what Tippmann fanboys would have you believe.

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Cheapest and easiest maintence?
All the same for maintenance. Couple drops of oil in the ASA, dry fire, done.

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I already know that they will all shoot very similar.
Victor, IMO.
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What do you say about HPA tanks(to rent...shooting 500-1000 shots each trip) The 48s probably wont get past 750 huh? What about the Guerrilla 68 will that get close to 1,000? And how much does a Guerrilla 68/3000 weigh?

Empire 47/3000 for $40.00?
Guerrilla Air 68/3000 for $45.00?
Ninja Air 48/3000 for $50.00?

I can get a Ninja Air 48/3000 included in the price of a Victor bundle which would make it less then $50.00 more like 30-40...so account for that aswell.
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Why do you want hpa if you're only going to get a 3k tank? Honestly, I'd stick with co2 if the choice was between that and a 3k tank.
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What's the difference between 3k and 4.5k?

The Scuba tank I would be getting is 3k and can be filled at a local shop. I don't know who could fill 4.5k around here.
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Right now I'm renting a 50LB CO2 tank and it comes out to be about $1.7 per 20oz.
HPA would be about $0.40 per fill and be safer and more efficient for my guns.

Why do I want to stick to CO2?
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the reason is that you will get more shots per fill. by a pretty significant amount, especially at only 3k psi.

a 20 oz co2 tank is nearly equal to a 68 cu 4500psi tank.
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I'm filling the tanks myself. I can fill about 4 48cu tanks for the price of 1 20oz CO2. The air is better for my guns then the CO2. The air is cheaper and better for the guns why would I want to pay more for CO2? I don't get it. I'm not going to be shooting over 1,000 shots in one day either. It's for rentals and most people only purchase 500 balls.
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because you will be taking a large hit in the shots per tank category. a 4500psi tank in the same volume will get 150% of the shots that a 3k tank will.

your scuba tank can only be filled to 3k but most dive shops can still fill your paintball tank to 4.5k and when you go to a field you can (typically) also get 4.5k fills. so while at home, yes, you will only be able to fill it from your scuba to 3k but that doesnt mean the advantage is killed by getting a 4.5k tank, they are also a lot lighter thank 3k tanks because 4.5ks have to be fiber wrapped.

just trust us on this one, i can not count the number of players who have come on here, ignored our advise on this, gotten a 3k tank and then are on here a month or two later saying "ya i should have listened and gotten a 4.5k tank"
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