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Old February 21st, 2013, 09:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dye DAM vs Milsig 2013 mk3 paradigm pro

I'm trying to learn as much as I can about these new markers that are coming out. There is a ton that I like about the dye and the magazines are a big thing that I like about it. The milsig had the tank in the stock which I always felt like that would limit your play a lot since filling would be pretty frequent. I like the idea of a tank and a line to my gun for the big scenario games. Can I not have that with a marker that has a stock mounted tank? I'd like your opinions on both these markers and what you like and dislike about each one. I like the style and quality of the milsigs but I don't like the in stock tank and magazines. The dye I love the mags and the overall design of the thing but I have heard and seen some things I wouldn't get it for like the bore problem with first strikes in the barrel. I dunno what do you guys think?
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Old February 21st, 2013, 10:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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First off all I have to know if you are talking about the MILSIG MK-III or the Paradigm Pro, because they are two different markers with very different prices, I'm going to assume you're talking about the Paradigm Pro.

I'll take the Dye DAM anytime over the Paradigm Pro. If I had the money for the DAM I'll buy it but if I had the money for the Paradigm I'll rather save it or get something else.

Let's talk about the Paradigm first:

From the start this marker is meant for die-hard mil-simmers who are focused completeley on simulating military situations as much as posible, so thing like electronics, hoppers, remotes or even tanks used as stocks are out of the question. The marker is made of a very durable metal alloy that is even on a higher grade quality than a real rifle (which is ridiculous, when are you gping to be in a situation where you need your marker to be that durable? Never) and it's why the marker is so expensive. On the internals it has a system that I belive barely makes it to the mid-end typo of internals (I belive is an unbalanced spool), and is kind of difficult to give maintenance to, you also have to shoot it ten times before using it which for a marker with such a low air capacity is a big waste.
I asked my fisics teacher and you can safely connect a 3000psi tank with a remote into the 13ci/3000psi tank that goes inside the marker's stock, but a 4500psi tank will cause it to explode; but even with this "advantage" you don't have the possibility of connecting the remote without the 13ci/3000psi tank unless you do a weird thing, and the 13ci/3000psi tank doesn't come with the marker but you have to buy it separately.
MILSIG made some "amazing" iron sights and some kind of magic barrel for the marker, but with all honesty, the tank is just a waste of valuable material and the sights are irrelevant for you will never used them.
The marker is also compatible with real AR-15 parts wich both RAP4 and MILSIG have been doing a lot with their recent products, and I just keep asking myself: why?
The mags are good though, both the D-mags (for First Strike rounds) and the normal mags.

So in resume:

1. Overpriced milling
2. Complicated and overrated internals
3. No electonics for "realism"
4. Limited air
5. Useless super barrel and sights

So I really won't consider it.


About the Dye DAM, it has all of the good but not irrelevant things of the Paradigm plus high end internals, the possibility of tank and remote and tank stock (which is comfortable to use with the stock), electronics, nice barrel, no unecesary iron sights and the nicest thing is you can use a hopper and mags at the same time, meaning you can use first strikes and normal .68 cal paintballs at the same time, by just pulling a little handle next to the selector button.

So in my opinion, Dye DAM all the way (if you have the money).
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Old February 21st, 2013, 10:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I figured as much. My main problem with the dye is the barrel bore and how it doesn't quite fit those first strikes and will lead to problems. I like everything about the dye cept maaybe a nit pic here and there.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 11:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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don't touch milsig. period. they used to be the rentals at my field, and they broke down like no tomorrow. then milsig "took them back"... what markers?

they're also a "local" company where i am... not impressed
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 12:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
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From what I've read, the HEAT spoolie engine is having an obscenely high failure rate out of the box.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 12:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
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From what I've read, the HEAT spoolie engine is having an obscenely high failure rate out of the box.
Yeah I expected as much from the HEAT.

You shoudn't get near the Paradigm but the MK-III is good for magfed-only play, the body is strong and their blowback system has been perfected to actually be reliable.
MILISG, before 2009 was know for their bad quality products that break down a lot, but now their blowblacks are reliable. The problem is that they had such a bad fame that people that knew MILSIG before 2009 still don't trust the company.
Their low end internals are now reliable but now that they have experimented with mid-end they are not having good results. They are going back to theyr bad o'l days.
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I figured as much. My main problem with the dye is the barrel bore and how it doesn't quite fit those first strikes and will lead to problems. I like everything about the dye cept maaybe a nit pic here and there.
so dont use FS rounds, problem solved

doesnt matter which marker you are using if you are trying to run FS rounds and paintballs through the same barrel you will have some difference in bore. best thing to do is find a large bore paint so the FS rounds will be an overbore, that way you can shoot the paintballs at the field velocity and then not need to worry about going over the FPS limit with the FS rounds but they will still go further.

What is making you look at $1k milsim markers in the first place?

No offense but just in reading through this thread you seem a little new to the sport
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 12:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Yea I'm new but I just getting info on anything and everything that I can so when I'm ready I can feel good about what I'm getting
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 12:41 AM   #9 (permalink)
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if you're new, you've got to learn before you can appreciate what the DAM (or for that matter, MTAC or A:RK [assuming that's even still around], or tactical G6R) has over other markers, and why its priced that high. and if you can learn the technology, you'll be able to formulate even better opinions on the milsim world thus finding the best value for *you*. the emphasis on you because no matter what we tell you, the decision is ultimately up to you, and its up to you to live with that decision
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Old February 24th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #10 (permalink)
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ya i say pass on the DAM/milsig/other expensive milsim marker right now if you are new, focus on the other bits first, mask, tank, hopper and get a simple marker to start out with that way you can learn on it and if you then decide you still want to go milsim thats great but you have more knowlege of how to take care of a marker now and your first marker can function as a backup

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Just something else to consider but a lot of guys that jump all into paintball actually don't stick with it that long. No sense dropping $800+ on a setup only to find out that maybe playing paintball all the time isn't your cup of tea. The resale on paintball gear is also a joke and if you do spend a lot of money and end up quitting paintball be prepared to find that you probably wont get even half of what you spent back when you sell it. Start small with the basics and see what you like about your gear and what you don't and just how much you actually like the game. If you find that you shoot a lot of paint when you play a magfed milsim marker wont be for you. If you find that at best you can only get out once a month maybe that $2000 marker isn't such a hot idea.
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