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**dudemang** · September 23rd, 12:03 AM

ok guys, i'm new the the forums, however, i've been reading many of the threads for quite some time now. and i guess i just need some input. i did some research on the kingman ESP frame, and the fact that it's claiming i can get up to 13 bps is a lot more attractive than buying an impy and doing all the mods to it i want in order for it to shoot fast. would it be wise to invest the money into the frame (even ordering thru **********) or just save for the impy? i love the impy, they are great guns, but very taxing on the $$$...any and all input needed here

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Spyder_Pimper#1 · September 23rd, 12:05 AM

get an impy,because it wont take as many mods as a spyder to be really good.

**hchammer** · September 23rd, 12:48 AM

one thing about the grip......IT can reach 13bps but can the gun go that fast. You are taking a mechanical open blowback marker and adding and electric solenoid. I can tell you from experience, you will be lucky to pull 10 bps without chopping. What will happen is the bolt wont be able to keep up with the rate of fire, and the electric solenoid will just keep on trying. An Impulse.....Stock will fire faster than an e-grip.

Zidane · September 23rd, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hchammer

one thing about the grip......IT can reach 13bps but can the gun go that fast. You are taking a mechanical open blowback marker and adding and electric solenoid. I can tell you from experience, you will be lucky to pull 10 bps without chopping. What will happen is the bolt wont be able to keep up with the rate of fire, and the electric solenoid will just keep on trying. An Impulse.....Stock will fire faster than an e-grip.

You're telling me a spyder can't shoot 13bps? Open bolt blowbacks can cycle faster than any gun on the market. Yes, they will cycle faster than any timmy, matrix, dm4, etc, but most companies on't invest ina stock board to let them take advanatage of that. Lately a few companies have come out with aftermarket boards though, here's some videos:

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Semi 1

Semi 2

XSF advantage (tadao) board for the spyder

***MedicDVG*** · September 23rd, 07:17 AM

Dang Zidane.. you beat me too it...

Put a good powered hopper and you will reduce the chops to darn near nothing. Also the XSF Board comes with break beam eyes.. that means no chops at all.

Anyway.. moving to gun comparisons...

**hchammer** · September 23rd, 08:25 AM

Then I stand corrected......I never had good luck with my Shutter - Halo combination

**dudemang** · September 23rd, 12:56 PM

that's one sick ass frame. however i have a spyder compact. and according to the site it won't work with the compact. any more suggestions?

**dhill0413** · September 23rd, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dudemang

that's one sick ass frame. however i have a spyder compact. and according to the site it won't work with the compact. any more suggestions?

find the cheapest e-frame for spyders...or one that is broken or something...then buy it and the xsf kit.

**dudemang** · September 23rd, 07:12 PM

so the xsf is out of the question for me then?

**dudemang** · September 23rd, 07:36 PM

disregard last post, i totally read the last one wrong

**dudemang** · September 23rd, 11:24 PM

one more stupid question, do you think since i don't have a vert feed on my spyder, would that seriously affect the speed that my paint is entering my gun? even with a really fast hopper?

**terrible1fi** · September 24th, 12:13 PM

maybe just a little like a few bps, but i could be wrong

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