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Old April 17th, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Shedding light on the Invert Mini.

Okay guys, this is my review for the Invert Mini. Being one of the first, if not the only, current Mini owner on PbF, I figured I would offer a review for anyone who may be considering the Mini, but is too turned off by it's newness to buy one. I literally JUST got this marker in, and this is a work in progress, so please bear with me.

First things first. Opening up the cardboard box, I find a nice, but small, aluminum gun case. With two flicks of the clasps, the gun is revealed. My first thought: "Holy crap. This gun is smaller than my tank." And it really is. Pictures don't do this marker justice. In my hands it feels half as big (And accordingly, half as heavy) as the Ion I sold two days ago.

On a side note, KEE did a wonderful job packing this sucker in. Not only is it in its own specially fitted aluminum case, it has a FULL maintenance kit, complete with spare detents and springs, 2 of every o-ring in the gun, some very large, sturdy allen wrenches (Or maybe they just LOOK big because of the gun... I can't tell. ), some form of Dow 33, and 1 of every screw on the gun. Did I mention they include a necklace (Kind of like dog tags)? It's cool but I won't be wearing it. It's also got a goofy looking rubber barrel plug. I don't know why they bothered with this. Most places require barrel condoms...

Anyway, my next step was to turn on the gun with the eyes off, to get a feel for the trigger. This is done by turning the gun on with the trigger depressed. Simple enough. The trigger is light and crisp, and it's satisfyingly responsive, although it lacks any kind of feedback like you would find on a gun with a microswitch. In truth the trigger feels like an Angel's trigger. Not a bad thing in my opinion.

It almost feels weird to screw on the tank, because there's no macroline. But I quickly got used to it. With the first shot of the gun, I realize this thing is pretty loud. But it sounds different than any other marker I've heard before.

I'm breaking the gun in according to a guide found on PbN:

How to break in your spring:

Set your dwell to 28.
Set your rof to 20bps.
Set your mode to nxl.
Set your presure to 1 tic below 200.
Turn your velosity adjuster in all the way.
Turn you eyes off.
Let it rip a entire tank or 3 out (depending on size, pressure, and your feel for how it needs to be broken in)

Right now I'm doing just that... The board software seems finicky but is easy to deal with once you figure out the gist of it. The 4x4 manual doesn't offer a great explanation of how to program the board...
Updates as far as shooting with paint go will follow soon. Right now I'm just establishing this thread, and I'll update it later.

So far, I give it a . More to come.

Update: 8:30.

After 2 full tanks through the gun and a revert to stock settings (Which requires just the push of 2 buttons simultaneously), it was time to put some paint through the gun. I stuck my halo on it, which, without a cut or sanded neck, fit VERY nicely into the Mini's locking feedneck, with a slight adjustment of course. I gassed up the gun, turned on the halo which had 10-month old RPS Premium paint in it. No joke. Took it out in the back yard and let it rip. It was clear that my halo was holding back the gun's potential, meaning 2 things: First, the eyes work very nicely. No chops at all. Second, I need a new halo board. =/

Despite the deplorable state of the paint which I fed the gun, I saw very good consistency and up to about 30 yards very little curve. I was able to hit a tennis ball in my yard from 15 yards away for shot after shot. Let's just say at this point I'm more than satisfied with the performance of this marker. It may turn out to be one of the best things I've ever spent $365 on in my life.

In my gun I saw none of the problems we have all heard of: blowback, chops, inconsistency, kick... None of it.

My overview of the gun:
Well, to say this gun is small and light is truly an understatement. It's called the Mini for a very good reason. The front grip which houses the battery and board feels very natural in your hands. The trigger is 3-point adjustable and the feel reminds me of an Angel trigger. Locking feedneck is nice, barrel seems decent, and the anno looks to be of decent quality. The grips are VERY comfy for stock grips, and the bottom-mounted regulator feels just like a typical ASA. It's easy to adjust too.

Pros:

-Obviously, it's tiny and weighs under 2 pounds. Enough said.
-Well balanced, even with a tank and hopper on it.
-Maintenance is idiot-proof (No eye harness to break, most of everything is directly mounted to the board...)
-After a short break-in, there is no kick, no blowback, etc.
-Stock board has 4 modes: Semi, PSP, NXL Auto, Millenium.
-Feels great to hold as far as grips and position goes.
-Lots of stuff I could mention but don't feel like repeating.
-PRICE! You won't find a gun that performs on this level for a similar price. Not one made of metal, anyway.

Neutral:
-Lack of aftermarket parts. I'd like to see an on/off regulator for this gun, but the only thing that the gun is begging for is a new barrel, and that is an easy replacement (Cocker threaded).


Cons:

-Trigger feels a bit sloppy out of the box. Not a real problem until you have to adjust it, and after you adjust it you're supposed to use blue loctite on the trigger screws.
-The stock reg gauge is 100% worthless. The gun runs 200 out of the box, which just happens to be the lowest number on the gauge. The gauge goes to 600. Go figure.
-The gun's patent numbers are laser engraved into the bottom of the foregrip. Not too thrilled about that... =/
-Board firmware is awkward. It's really strange to program something with so many different variable settings using only 1 LED and 2 buttons, no matter how many colors the LED has. I'll be happy when someone comes out with a LCD aftermarket board. Wouldn't be hard to do either. There's plenty of room in that foregrip.

Conclusion: If your budget is $400 or under, don't even consider anything else. This blows away all competition. The pros are too numerous to list, and the cons are mainly the result of me being a nit-picky bastard.

I really hope this review puts to rest some unanswered questions, and if anyone has anything further to ask, please post it up here or PM me about it.

-Greg, a.k.a. Pizza

April 19, 9:10

I uploaded a vid of me firing it on semi. It's like 12 seconds. In case anyone is interested:
Pizza's Mini - Google Video

Enjoy.

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Old April 17th, 09:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Updated. Give me some feedback.
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Old April 17th, 09:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Nice.

I'm getting a good bit of money back from taxes, and highly considering buying one of these. They look nice. Thanks for the overview, I've been looking for a good one for a while.
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Old April 17th, 09:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Good review, i too have shot a Mini, but have you shot a rail? It's in the same price range, and while the mini is impressive, i'd have to say i am more impressed with the PMR, which i have also shot.
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Old April 17th, 09:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm not terribly impressed with the PMR, although I have shot it and I do agree it is a good gun. My biggest turnoff with the PMR is people are picking them up like crazy and I have a hunch they will follow the path of the Ion and become "that plastic gun" that half the kids on the field have. Nothing against plastic guns though; I loved my Ion the year and a half I had it.
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Yeah, there are a few nit-picky upgrades that need to be done to the PMR also. Feedneck and trigger, and from what it seems, the Mini shoots great out of the box.
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Old April 17th, 09:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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What plastic parts does the PMR have, and whether it does become overwhelmingly popular or not (i know what you mean, there are alot of PMR users at my local field) i still would take it over the Mini, nothing against it though, its a fun gun to shoot. Another thing is that I like the 45 degree frame better on the PMR than the frame on the Mini
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Old April 17th, 09:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Plus, the PMR has a problem with the back cap; The Mini had a problem with the 1.1 board. Luckily I got the 1.2 board, but if you do get stuck with a 1.1, KEE Action Sports will upgrade the board and install it free of charge. Whereas I don't think Proto is offering a free fix for any of the PMR's issues.
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Old April 17th, 09:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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did you notice much kick or blowback when you were breaking it in? (i got one coming in the mail)
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I'm really considering picking one of these up when I have the cash. They are really nice for the price.

They are a little weird at first, but you grow to like it pretty quickly.
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Another thing is that I like the 45 degree frame better on the PMR than the frame on the Mini
What it all boils down to is really personal preference. And I prefer the Mini's features to the PMR's features.

Regardless, this review was in no way meant to bash any guns. I just wanted to offer a little insight for anyone considering a Mini, so that they can have an easier time making the decision of which gun to buy, and I'll admit I had a tough time deciding between the Mini and the PMR. But when it's all said and done I feel confident with my decision.

And doe, I saw no kick or blowback even when breaking it in. I just did that as a precaution to avoid breaking paint. The first 1000 or so shots were crazy loud though. But that went away by the 2nd tank.
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Old April 17th, 09:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What it all boils down to is really personal preference.
QFT.

When I shot the Mini, i really liked it a lot but I just liked the PMR more. I am in no way bashing the mini, its a really nice gun.
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Old April 18th, 09:22 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Wow great review, keep us posted if the gun starts to develop any problems and if it does, how the costomer service is for you.
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when i handled a friends at the field it was TOO small. I think this has to do in part with how i'm used to holding guns. I'd have to screw around with one for a day or 2 and I'd probably like it a lot.

Having to break in the spring isn't something that thrills me as I feel KEE should have done that themselves.

If this gun ever gets a price break it's going to start stepping all over the ions toes.
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Old April 18th, 04:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Ok what if the gun coast $490?
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.... it already only costs $400 ....

The mini for cheaper would be so sweet, if it drops the PMR would have to drop two because the two are so close. Than the Ion would be in trouble.
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At the local store the gun is $490 would it still be a good idea for me to pick one up?
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No, you are being overcharged. I understand wanting to support your local shop, but $100 more on a $400 product is a big difference. Tell them you want to support them and show them action village's (or any other reputable online paintball store) site and ask them to match the price.
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Old April 18th, 09:19 PM   #19 (permalink)
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MSRP is only $449.... If they're charging $490 you're getting ripped. I bought mine for $365. I've heard of online stores going as low as $310.
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