[Trbo323]

1) seriously?
2) i never said the conversion moved the hopper forward, the a-5 design itself has the hopper further forward than is reasonably good, hence the "move", look at the rest of the industry and youll see that the hopper is positioned much more over the grip frame, where you are supporting the weight of the marker
3) and i still say remotes are useless in 99% of cases, you use the tank as a stock, a remote+stock+rest of your setup=greater total weight your carrying around anyway, and yes i know its different, trust me i know what shifting weight on a marker does, i use a drop forward on a speedball marker. did you ever stop and think for a second that maybe, just maybe there is a ligitamit reason speedballers everywhere do not use remotes?

of the very few cases iv seen that a remote makes since, this is one of them since you can not remove the stock from the mod, another was a guy whos 98cs are still in the rate my marker section, he is using a Q loader as a stock, go look at what i said about the retote in there

[PlayingWithFire]

Since speedball was created by field owners as a way to get players to buy more paint, in less time (and hyperball is an even more advanced application of this principle, read up on the history of WGP) I have a hard time thinking that anything they do is "more" or "less" "legitimate" than anything a woodsball or mil-sim player might choose to do. Moreover, in the case of the B-5 mod, you're using the RECEIVER as a stock. You're moving the hopper BEHIND the the grip frame, in fact, you're moving almost EVERYTHING to behind the grip frame, so I fail to see your point about forward weight at all.
I see no problem with adding weight overall, if, by doing so, you remove at least half the total net weight gain from from the prior net weight of the marker as held, fully loaded, on my hands. My legs can take it.
Put a B-5 next to your Autococker, tank on, and tell me which is longer, which puts more weight in your arms, and which has more weight forward of the grip.
Don't get me wrong, I love my 'Cocker, and I'm not a huge fan of the B-5 mod. But to say that the bullpup stock as a concept can't improve the handling of a paintball? I fail to see how one could intelligently defend such a statement.

[Trbo323]

i can tell you for sure the b-5 will put more weight on your arms than my cocker with tank on, and most likely longer to the end of the breach (drop forward)

at any rate my dm6 is even shorter and lighter and i got it for less

and do you seriously think speedball and hyperball were created to get players to use more paint? speedball was created when people were still using all mechanical markers and nobody had even thought up the concept of shooting lanes, speedball is an evolution of woodsball, the reason inflatable bunkers were stantardized was because you can not mirror a field in the woods, trees, for some reason, do not grow in perfectly symmetrical patters so it is not the same for each team. have you ever heard the term "build it and they will come"? fields realized that players liked this new form of paintball that was much faster than a standard woodsball game, hence they built speedball fields, if the owners were trying to get people to use more paint, then there should be no more woodsball fields, instead there would be speedball only fields and not the combos that are so common (notice i never said there are not any speedball only places) but my point is if they are just trying to get you to use more paint they would close the woods portion of the field, chop all the trees down and put up more speedball corses. and they would definatly ban the use of pumps on the fields, o and maybe, just maybe, they would be giving out something with a higher bps than a 98c. the field owners only respond to what the players want, thats how they survive. they are not cotroling you (if you want to believe that then sure go ahead im not going to stop you) afterall, its not like they have the only field in existance, if i dont like what 1 field offers ill go to the next its that simple

[Mavjarro]

Originally Posted by PlayingWithFire

Since speedball was created by field owners as a way to get players to buy more paint, in less time (and hyperball is an even more advanced application of this principle, read up on the history of WGP) I have a hard time thinking that anything they do is "more" or "less" "legitimate" than anything a woodsball or mil-sim player might choose to do. Moreover, in the case of the B-5 mod, you're using the RECEIVER as a stock. You're moving the hopper BEHIND the the grip frame, in fact, you're moving almost EVERYTHING to behind the grip frame, so I fail to see your point about forward weight at all.
I see no problem with adding weight overall, if, by doing so, you remove at least half the total net weight gain from from the prior net weight of the marker as held, fully loaded, on my hands. My legs can take it.
Put a B-5 next to your Autococker, tank on, and tell me which is longer, which puts more weight in your arms, and which has more weight forward of the grip.
Don't get me wrong, I love my 'Cocker, and I'm not a huge fan of the B-5 mod. But to say that the bullpup stock as a concept can't improve the handling of a paintball? I fail to see how one could intelligently defend such a statement.

Thank you, someone realizes that... haha. Anwyays, after it all boils down to it, its all a matter of preference, i prefer milsim, others prefer speedball. I like having an objective to work towards rather than running around and blasting other players. someone on the other side would say they don't like hauling a crap load of equipment and would rather jump on the field quickly, as speedballers do.