[themainevent]

you will still need a good hopper and tank for a speed

[titocampos1990]

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!! ANY GUN IN THIS PRICE RANGE IS JUST AS GOOD, IT COMES TO PREFERENCE WITH THESE GUNS,

p.s. screw everything-karnivore rules

[themainevent]

negative to tito, these angels do differ, the fly has a better trigger than speed, is lighter, smaller, and has an ACE. And the karni isnt the best gun out, if i remember correctly, they have a reflective eye, not sure, someone correct me here

[titocampos1990]

i think it does but you can change that with the e-blade2

[titocampos1990]

oh, and these arent just as good, but they all are top quality guns with great performance

[Huey69]

Originally Posted by themainevent

russian legion timmy>alias
a-bomb timmy>alias
ripper timmy>alias


in my opinion

There all the same except milling......

[themainevent]

Originally Posted by Huey69

There all the same except milling......

thats why they are better, there milling is sweet, unless it adds wieght, either way, most of those look better in my opinion

[ElementK]

And the crowd goes wild chanting "TIMMY TIMMY TIMMY"

[Impulsive_154]

Originally Posted by paintballa22

Ok, first off, for the money you're spending on an A4 fly you could get almost any gun on the market and trust me, there are much better guns out there.

why say first off if there's no second off?

[lifeforce4]

Originally Posted by j_dogg

Good god people, he didn't ask which gun you thought was better, he asked which of the two he liked was the best buy. Roob, if you can afford the Fly and a fast hopper and good tank, get it. If you'll be sacrificing the hopper, barrel kit, or tank to get the Fly, get a Speed and get it retro-fitted with the EyeQ system(the ACE and board from the Fly) later on. As far as DM4s and Alias Timmys go, well, a timmy is a timmy. Some got more milling thatn others, otherwise you can slap a board in them and they all shoot the same pretty much. DM4s come from Dye, and while the gun it's self kick ass, Dye has a bad track record with markers and marker parts. I always say go with an Angel, those brits have been making kickass products for 6 years now and they keep on top of things performance wise.

I Agree No need to freak out about getting diffrent guns. Angel/Trix/Timmy they are the best guns you could get you would not be disapointed in either.

Now are you talking about the new Speed 05 or old ones? If its the old speed then I would say get the Fly. The Fly is top of the line for WDP the new Speed 05 is really the same gun. The only change is the trigger and frame, milling, inline reg, runs on a 9v, and is LED. If I had the money I dont know which one I would get I like the LCD but I like the 9v and trigger on the new Speed 05. Oh yeah the price is a big changed. $950 for a new Speed 05 over a new A4 Fly $1199. You can pick if the Fly is worth the extra $250-300.

Might want to go to angelowners.com and ask the same question you wont get all this get a timmy/DM4/trix instead.

Kyle

[Wdp ir3 2k3]

Originally Posted by Warpstoner

Get a Dm4 instead. Problem solved.

Get a angel 4 fly nothin can top that

[SuperManD1v3]

any gun you buy over $700 is going to be a good gun. Matrix, Timmy,Angels there all good. AS for ME I have an angel speed. All it needs is possibly a better trigger and itll be shooting over 20. I have burst rated around a max of 19.

Ive shot an A4 and i really didnt see a difference in speed. A4 just has better internals but IMO there not much diff in performance... A4 board is more responsive though

[p/-\c]

if you have the money get a Force Fly

but if not get an 03-04 speed, I have one and I love it

[In Disguise]

or, get an 05 speed, fly internals, redesigned kinda minireg, ace, faunky trigger, and less than a fly, but I personaly like the fly's looks a little bit better