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**G.I.sam** · October 14th, 08:51 PM

Whats a good first gun packeg for around $80 i know not much it is for a Xball field and a big clutterd wood bunker field thanks. G.I.sam singing off lol

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**wackwar** · October 14th, 08:57 PM

wow dude, i dont think u can get by with $80. i would say u need at LEAST $120, but i would suggest the spyder victor II w/12oz co2 and hopper.

**G.I.sam** · October 14th, 09:01 PM

thats what i was going to get for 60 and just rent the other gear from the field i can get a victor 2 for 80 but not the package.

**PaintBallBob** · October 14th, 09:39 PM

you can get a victor II for $60.
just save up the extra money, youll spend more money in the long run if you buy a crappy gun package. or you could buy used...

**Mangobutter** · October 14th, 10:37 PM

i know you can get the victer 2 for 60 but ^ guy was right for a package with every thing you will need upwards of 100 dollers

**DJS2** · October 14th, 10:52 PM

just get a used victor 2, shutter, or any other mech spyder from pbn BSTs... u can prolly picked up a victor 2 in good condition for much less than new.. than u can buy ur own mask and such that ud have to rent if u baught new.

**HU$$$$TL3R** · October 14th, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJS2

just get a used victor 2, shutter, or any other mech spyder from pbn BSTs... u can prolly picked up a victor 2 in good condition for much less than new.. than u can buy ur own mask and such that ud have to rent if u baught new.

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**rex21** · October 15th, 06:24 AM

spyders r good, but can break easily. try to save a little more for a tippy 98c. lots of parts, and indestructible!

**jussery** · October 15th, 12:39 PM

I'm suprised that no one has mentioned the PMI Pirhana yet. But I agree with the last post, the best starter gun is the Tippmann 98C (or even the A-5 if you have the money). Although I would buy a PMI gun before I bought a Spyder (and I would know, I have a Shutter). Really though, as long as you take decent care of your gun by cleaning it after its used, oiling the o-rings, don't crawl through the mud, don't put it underwater, etc.., you should be fine with just about anything you buy (excluding Brass Eagle stuff of course).

**dfdtrumpet** · October 15th, 12:50 PM

^^^i was just about to suggest the pirahna

i got the old package when i first started. It had a pirahna bl gt, mask, co2, hopper, and a barrel plug. the new ones come with i think its a gti(please correct me if im wrong) plus all that stuff and a squeege. i got mine on sale just after chrismas for 110, really good deal. the ones they have out now i think are about 135-150.

the pirahnas are really good quality, basic starter guns. very upgradable, they can use uprgrades from both pirahna, and most spyders. ive been using mine for woodsball for about 4 years now, no major problems. the only thing i had trouble with is that i blow o-rings alot, but i think that has more to do with how i take off the tank and less to do with the gun. slow trigger, your not gonna be able to walk it, but since your doing mostly rec/woodsball, thats not a big deal.

ive got no prob with tippys or spyders, ive used both, but i still like my fishy

**spyshark** · October 15th, 01:38 PM

Check ebay you can get a whole victor II package for like 80.00 plus shipping.Lent of them there so many you will find one without getting into a bid war.If someone starts bidding against you find another package and bid.Search under spyder paintball.

**DJS2** · October 15th, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rex21

spyders r good, but can break easily.

im seriously gonna try to be nice about this. im not gonna yell or flame. I know u have an a5.. so ur a tippy>spyder kinda guy... ur opinion is very biased, and COMPLETLY wrong. Have u ever owned a spyder? to break them, u have to have negative knowledge about paintball, and basically to berak it u have to try to break it. if someone is that stupid.. then pay an extra 60 bux and get a tippy

**deathscythe07** · October 16th, 08:59 PM

depends on how long you plan to play. if your just gettin it for the heck of it go with the victor II but if you plan to keep playin save your money for maybe an imagine or tippy

**fetusXcore** · October 17th, 02:09 AM

yeah, good luck finding a decent package for $80. get a spyder xtra. great starter gun. very easy to clean.

**Gabriot** · October 17th, 02:23 AM

You could probably find a used package of low to mid range spyders off ebay for 80.

**Frallan** · October 17th, 07:41 AM

Do it the other way instead... Buy the mask and other stuff U need and rent the marker. And then go to e-bay and find yourself a used trracer or mavrick. Get a spring kit, some polish and some oil and Ull be playing along fine for some time.

Then if U decide to play more get a SEMI or a better Pump. But the most important part that U carry around isn't the marker its the mask. A good comforable mask with good vision and good hearing and a good squeegie will give U more of an edge then a 80-100$ marker.

**pbmoto** · October 17th, 06:01 PM

they only thing i could c buying for under 80 dollers is a old used mech spyder. then u would have to buy a used tank for like 10 dollers and a used mask for like 20 or so.

bowwow25 · October 17th, 09:52 PM

what exactly is an angel can they rely shoot 1000 balls per trigger pull

**Gabriot** · October 17th, 10:20 PM

No that's totally wrong it's more like 978.

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Seriously just apply simple logic, what kinda hopper would carry that many balls?

**PaintBallBob** · October 18th, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bowwow25

what exactly is an angel can they rely shoot 1000 balls per trigger pull

deffinitly not. and its illegal to shot more then one ball per trigger pull.