[dhill0413]

Originally Posted by pntball4life

i would but i really like the trilogy and its the only thing in my price range.

so hold onto the money you have and just be patient. the spyder can hold you over for a while. i know how ya feel, you cant wait to buy a gun. be patient and save up for a higher end gun, youll be happier with it later

[tlmiller]

If the trilogy is in your price range, then so is the drallion as Picasso21 said. Elector cocker, and since it's fully cocker compatible, you can upgrade it when you get the $$ to a high end cocker from it's lower end beginnings.

[DrinkPaintDie]

Something about non wgp cockers turns me off. WGP invented the cocker so I think it is best to stuck with them

[tlmiller]

I look at as 98% of all cockers end up with almost no wgp equipment still on it other htan the body and feed. The drallion is the same body as an oracle. Therefore when it's fully upped, it'll be indestinguishable from what started out as a stock oracle. For me, it all comes down to the looks when deciding which cocker. I just so happen to not care for the looks of the oracle body.

[dhill0413]

the drallion is another poorly made autococker by Dragun. DONT BUY IT.


tlmiller.....98% eh?

What is in competition as the best ram? the STO ram w/ trvs...made by WGP

What is in competition as the best LPR? the Orracle TICKLER made by WGP

Best bolt? Worrblade bolt (all delrin w/ orings) made by WGP

Best 3-way? Orracle, made by wgp.

Best hinge frame? WGP

people buy orracles for the awesome parts it comes with, not to upgrade it. people buy vert feeds to upgrade them

learn the facts son...then come back

[100%Wooddog]

Well for the price of the bko you could get a better cocker..

[tlmiller]

Originally Posted by dhill0413

the drallion is another poorly made autococker by Dragun. DONT BUY IT.


tlmiller.....98% eh?

What is in competition as the best ram? the STO ram w/ trvs...made by WGP

What is in competition as the best LPR? the Orracle TICKLER made by WGP

Best bolt? Worrblade bolt (all delrin w/ orings) made by WGP

Best 3-way? Orracle, made by wgp.

Best hinge frame? WGP

people buy orracles for the awesome parts it comes with, not to upgrade it. people buy vert feeds to upgrade them

learn the facts son...then come back

Maybe I should have been clearer and said "original WGP parts" Since those orracles account for all of maybe 1.5% of all cockers.

I still stick by what I said. How many cockers of serious players have you seen that didn't have just about everything stock replaced. Very few overall can afford the higher priced, so they buy the stock VF's, or prostocks, systemX's and such and add better as they go. Whether or not it's WGP parts on it or not, it's not stock wgp parts.

[dhill0413]

Originally Posted by tlmiller

Maybe I should have been clearer and said "original WGP parts" Since those orracles account for all of maybe 1.5% of all cockers.

I still stick by what I said. How many cockers of serious players have you seen that didn't have just about everything stock replaced. Very few overall can afford the higher priced, so they buy the stock VF's, or prostocks, systemX's and such and add better as they go. Whether or not it's WGP parts on it or not, it's not stock wgp parts.

well no ****. If i buy a vert feed i plan to upgrade it. buying an orracle or karnivor though you wont be upgrading, because it has the best parts. i would take a stock vert feed over a drallion. why? because i KNOW it will work. i dont want to upgrade it to make it work. WGP makes quality guns, something dragun cannot say.

i dont understand why you are supporting drallions in this way. just because they have an orracle body that doesnt mean ****. thats just some milling and annodizing. what matters is the parts. orracles and karnivors are all wgp parts and dont need upgrades.

you say they end up with upgraded parts? DUHHHHH. anyone that buys a b2k, an impulse, a lower end cocker, a matrix, angel, ANYTHING, it will have upgraded parts on it. whats your point?

orracles ARE STOCK WGP MARKERS WITH STOCK WGP PARTS

karnivors ARE STOCK WGP MARKERS WITH STOCK WGP PARTS.

drallions are CRAP GUNS.

end of discussion

[bob005]

i agree with dhill 100%, he's got this discussion from every angle. WGP, free flow, and jackal are probably the only places to get a quality cocker. doc makes some sexy ones, but i hear they have quite a few bugs still waiting to get worked out.