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Old February 1st, 2013, 08:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Spire?

So, thinking about getting one over the next six months or so. Just seeing if anyone has used one yet, or if I should just hang on to my two Rotors...
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Old February 1st, 2013, 09:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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From what I've seen, they jam less with small paint. If you haven't had issues with jams, there's no point in getting one.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 11:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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they're MAGICAL... but seriously, they probably would have killed the rotor had they been cheaper.

they're lighter, a touch easier to maintain. haven't played a point with one, only used one indoor, where i didn't have to reload.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 04:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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they probably would have killed the rotor had they been cheaper.
THIS.
You want to make a competitor to the Rotor? Price it lower. I have no idea what virtue was thinking when they priced this. I would pick up one of them if it was cheaper, but I'm not paying $200 to end up with a backup hopper to my rotor that I paid $100 for.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 05:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i dbout that it would become your backup, especially since the SF feed just came out
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Old February 1st, 2013, 05:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The only way it wouldn't is if it held more paint than a rotor. I've got the newest KM speed feed on my rotor and very rarely spill paint.

the new virtue speed feed costs ANOTHER $45, but it's definitely the best thing on the market.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 07:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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ya i havnt been super impressed with them, not for that price anyway

a few less parts for more money and worse battery life than a rotor

all for a supposedly better feeding of small paint which i have never even had an issue with and have shot some incredibly small stuff over the last year?

virtue has not impressed me at all, that pathetic excuse for a "torture test" that they did was a sorry excuse for marketing and the worse part is people bought it

i may eventually look at a used one as a backup but honestly I feel more of a pull towards the prophecy
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Old February 1st, 2013, 08:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The thing rips i would definiatly own one if my pinokio went down or ever seemed to crack. They never jam, hold more than a rotor, strong as a rotor body wise, have a decent battery life and the sit amazingly low.
I would get one but i dont see a point of getting a new hopper since there is no point in replacing something that works perfectly fine
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Old February 1st, 2013, 08:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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they hold what, 5 more balls than a rotor? they're pretty small on the inside.
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They market it as a TRUE 200 rounds, but I'm pretty sure it was 100 .68 and 100 .50 when they got that.
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There is no way it holds 200
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Like I said, that's how they market it. I'd guess it was probably about the same as the Rotor. I have no desire to find out personally. I'm quite happy with my Pinokio and my uuuuuber high capacity Z2 (proph v1 high cap shells so it holds nearly 300).
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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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strong as a rotor body wise
says who? because the only ones I am aware of that say this is virtue and the only proof they have is that piss poor thing they call a "torture test" whos only factor that can be seen as "torture" is the shotgun with bird shot but lets be honest about that, Dick Cheney shot a 78 year old (if the face by some stories) with bird shot and he survived just fine

if you ask me this thing has not been actually tested for its strength
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Old March 9th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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So I think I'm going to get a spire. Same price as a rotor besides the older styles. Just seems like everyone has a rotor so why not have a spire?
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I used the spire and I like it; It holds more than the rotor. The problem is that speed feeds for it are very expensive.
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i'm gonna switch over as soon as my shop sponsorship kicks in. i dove last week and the top of my rotor blew off. and i was playing hopper ball. go figure
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Old March 13th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #17 (permalink)
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So received my spire today, check out the vid and find out how many balls it holds

Virtue Spire 200 Test - YouTube
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The only issue I have with the "how many does it hold" tests - is that ...realistically.. there's only 1 moment in an airball game you can truly use the capacity of the hopper as such... and that's the first 1/4 second after the first buzzer.


Beyond that - the only number that matters to me is if we can fit a full pod (140-160) in ...knowing you're low on paint...with the marker shouldered.

Outside of not liking stupidly small paint - my biggest complaint about my rotor is that its shape doesn't "push" paint to the front of the hopper. With a "slam" style reload - I MIGHT lose 10 balls. Using a "end-over" pod flip thingie seen in some of the pro videos... I'll be lucky to get 100 rounds to load into the hopper. On my Halo Too/B... the pods were able to fully empty.

If the Spire is able to contain a full 140 on a reload... I may be talked into making the switch.
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The only issue I have with the "how many does it hold" tests - is that ...realistically.. there's only 1 moment in an airball game you can truly use the capacity of the hopper as such... and that's the first 1/4 second after the first buzzer.


Beyond that - the only number that matters to me is if we can fit a full pod (140-160) in ...knowing you're low on paint...with the marker shouldered.

Outside of not liking stupidly small paint - my biggest complaint about my rotor is that its shape doesn't "push" paint to the front of the hopper. With a "slam" style reload - I MIGHT lose 10 balls. Using a "end-over" pod flip thingie seen in some of the pro videos... I'll be lucky to get 100 rounds to load into the hopper. On my Halo Too/B... the pods were able to fully empty.

If the Spire is able to contain a full 140 on a reload... I may be talked into making the switch.
you've got the right idea. the rotor is troublesome when it comes to this issue, sadly

I've used the spire with the new spring loaded feed paddles, and I can say they fixed the issue that the rotor has when it comes to reloading pods. If it wasn't so expensive, I would own one. Hopefully they'll drop in price on the used market. I know for a while rotors were all $100 used (before they raised the price on them)
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So received my spire today, check out the vid and find out how many balls it holds

Virtue Spire 200 Test - YouTube
so it fits 208....and wont feed
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