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**kenny_1491** · January 6th, 03:03 PM

ion>bushy>promoster>icd anyday. I'm sorry if you disagree but I have seen alot more outa an ion then any ICD gun.

**bobide** · January 6th, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes Himself

Thats why they suck if you have to know what you're doing to use them you might as well get something you can just air up and shoot.

-Wes.

okay, sure, whatever.

I guess ICD owners are just a different breed, wanting to actually tune a gun and not copy down somebody's settings or have an understanding of how the gun works so they actually know what they need to fix when it breaks.

**kenny_1491** · January 6th, 03:51 PM

oh I don't mind it at all. it's just you seem to need to do it more often then any other type of gun. my matrix sat around doing nothing for like 9 months, I picked it up and took it to the chrono, it was still getting +-2 at 275 fps(what it was set to last time I checked it.

**the_real_kaz** · January 8th, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by martix_agent

what else would suggest, an ion?
ICd markers have a VERY competent following on icd-owners.com and ont eh nation as well; vaporworks is also taking over teh reapairs and whatnot. They're still in good hands.

lol have you looked at my sig in the last couple years? I hate Ions, more than Promasters. I would take a promaster over an Ion for sure, but I don't like eaither.

I'd suggest a Proto SLG, Proto Rail, Spyder VS1 or 2, Tippmann 98 or A-5, Mini, Fusion, PM5, I could go on.

**sNoW PIrAnHa** · January 8th, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny_1491

which is why icd gets a big tdown from me.

Cool. Take it to another thread.

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Originally Posted by martix_agent

too bad. if you're competent to read a users manual long enough to set the regulators they'll purr like kittens (except the 04 freestyle, they actualyl did suck)

My 04 Gen 2 freestyle is the best gun I've ever shot. Fast, accurate, no kick. But terribly inefficient and it currently leaks.

The promasters are good guns and have the ion beat in everything except for upgrades and noobs using them.

**bobide** · January 8th, 09:16 PM

yes, i don't believe it's possible to make a more inefficient gun then the early freestyles.

**the_real_kaz** · January 9th, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bobide

yes, i don't believe it's possible to make a more inefficient gun then the early freestyles.

Early autocockers or stock rainmakers have got to be close.....

**kenny_1491** · January 10th, 01:07 PM

I never said they didn't shoot good, I said you have to maintain them more then usual and I have yet to see a working one(I have yet to come in here saying ICD sucks everything they make is crap hublah hublah hublah). and the fact that it is currently leaking doesn't help your argument imo.

***martix_agent*** · January 10th, 01:19 PM

kenny i've got two of them that work. Right now they're in pieces while I await new trigger frames, but they work. icd-owners.com had lots and lots and lots of them that work.

**bobide** · January 10th, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny_1491

I never said they didn't shoot good, I said you have to maintain them more then usual and I have yet to see a working one(I have yet to come in here saying ICD sucks everything they make is crap hublah hublah hublah). and the fact that it is currently leaking doesn't help your argument imo.

i'll say it again. Just about every issue i've seen with these guns is the owners fault as they can't balance regs, but are convinced they know how.

**kenny_1491** · January 10th, 02:51 PM

have I disagreed? simpyl put until I see one that works and shoots, I will not say anything positive towards them. I have not personally owned them so I can't say much.

**bobide** · January 10th, 03:16 PM

yea, we both have our views for our own legitimate reasons. I continue to defend them to ensure that people looking at this site don't get a biased view and you give your side based on your experiences.

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