Johnny_Fred

OK, I have a lot of money saved up, and I have nothing better to spend it on. I have a spyder TL-X, and a progressive barrel.

I am planning on getting-

ESP Frame
Halo TSA LED Frontman
Regulator
Bolt
Other Internals
Any other good upgrades you can think of

Can you please recommend what regulators, bolts, internals, etc etc, i should get, also if the halo TSA is a good hopper. I do not want super expensive stuff, but i also don't want cheap stuff, so average stuff good for a Spyder.

Thanks,
PS-would i just be better getting a better gun, like an impulse or something?

Badinflewinse

Esp frame- can't tell you much about it. I personally haven't had any expierence with one. But i hear it's a good frame so go for it. Another one to look into is the T board (60 dollars)from scenario dreams. It comes with eyes so read about that if it interests you. But the esp should be a good buy.

Halo tsa hopper- Instead of a halo tsa i'd reccemond an egg or regular halo. Because they feed faster and are worth the extra money in my opinion. You're better off getting a good hopper now then having to buy one now, out shooting it and buying another better one. Just buy a good one now to save money.

Regulator (im in the process of purchasing one also so i might have some stuff wrong). Best is palmers equalizer and bob long torpedo. Both work well with co2. The bob long costs around 50-60 dollars. The palmer's cost around 90 to 100 dollars. In my opinion the bob long torpedo is a better buy if you can get your marker to go under 600 psi. A madman's rocket valve will get it below 600 psi with ease. Madman rocket valve is around 30-40 dollars.

Bolt if you want to keep the stock one just polish your internals and remove the venturi for best airflow, and sand the bolt so it cups the ball also(ottersscustoms.com has all this). Or get the shockteck superfly. I have one and it's a very nice bolt for the price in my opinion. Another option is the aka lightning bolt. It's suppose to have the best airflow of all bolts. I've never had any expiernce with one so i don't know how it preforms. Aka lightning bolt .osts around 50-60 dollars i think.

Internals-can't help you there sorry.

As far as getting a better gun. In my opinion every gun has it's advantages and disadvantages. You can get a spyder to work as well as a higher end gun. It will just take time, money, and knowledge. I think it's more fun to upgrade your marker and see how good you can make it. But thats just my opinion. Overall it comes down to what you want. Do you want a higher end marker? Or are you more satisfied being a spyder owner? Think about, research some markers, and decide if you want one or not.

I hope this helped you. Ask questions if you have any.

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Johnny_Fred

Doesn't an low pressure chamber get the marker below 600 psi, and does the bob long torpedo work well with hpa?

thanks for the post a lot (pmed mod 'bout rep point for u )

Badinflewinse

I don't know. I'm pretty sure a regular spyder runs at around 800-900 psi(nothing on it). Screwedupmonkey was telling me about how drilling out the verticle adaptor holes and polishing internals will get it under 600 psi. Not quite sure i'm buying the rocket valve so i can adjust how much psi i want. Also The torpedo should work well with hpa since bob long uses it on all his intimadators .

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Johnny_Fred

When you get everything, can you tell me how it works,and which reg r u getting? Also is the superfly shocktech bolt top-cocking? and how do you adjust the reg and valve?

Thanks a lot for your help, you deserve a rep point

Would my Spyder turn Low pressure with the valve and the regulator, and would i have to do any mods other than install them? Also is low pressure worth it, or would i be better off getting a better marker?

Sorry for all the questions, but would the rocket valve or the low pressure valve be better to make my spyder low pressure?

KingFikiElectra

First off I personally would go with the spyder but everyone has there prefrence. Here is what I would do.

The ESP frame is a very nice frame. Not the best but its not crap. I would much rather have it rather then the stock TLX plastic frame. ( I feel u on that one). I would definatly get it. The speed is very nice for the price.

The hopper should be an Egg. I wouldnt get a Halo B or a TSA for that matter. The halo B is to fast for what U will shoot. The TSA is acctually a good hopper. Alot of people dont give it a chance and I dont know why, I love my freinds. Most people dont speak with experiance. And im not sure why everyone says go with the egg rather then the Halo TSA. But honestly the TSA isnt bad at all.

Regulator- Just get adjustable air (not co2) and u will be fine. Dont get preset. This way u kill 2 birds with one stone.

Keep the proggressive barrel. I love it. If u want to try something else, I just tried my new CP and I didnt chop once with it. Im impressed.

As far as internals go the only valves I tried are the Magna,Rocket,and the AKA tornado. Out of those I think the AKA tornado is the best. But you get more bang for your buck with the Rocket. Its a little bit cheaper and the diffrence is barely noticable. Some may argue its better and reall between the tornado and the rocket they practically have the same efficency and overall preformance is almost identical.


Also as far as the top cocking bolt is concerned. I think u can use a timmy bolt as long as its top cocking. I know a timmy bolt would fit a dragun but im not sure if it would fit a spyder. What I did was simply take a AKA Lightning bolt and since it is rear cocking it has a place to screw in a cocking rod. So I had a cocker cocking rod and I plopped that in there and drilled a hole in the back of the TLX and it woked great.

Low pressure is not worth it at all. Its less efficent and expensive. However u get less ball breaks and it is quieter. And the rocket valve is a high flow valve which is perfect for reduced pressure.

And all u need is to do the home mods. Like drilling the VA. That helps alot with recocking issues. Make sure u polish ur internals aswell.

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Johnny_Fred

So adjustable air works the same as a regulator, or should i just plan to get a regulator, since i don't really want to spend money on hpa now, and my field rents it out for free. and how is the bob long torpedo reg and the shocktech superfly bolt?

Badinflewinse

What does your field rent out for free? Anyway a regulator can help a lot. Especially with a good co2 regulator. Since a compressed air tank is out of the question buy a regulator for co2. It may not be as good as hpa but it's as good as you can get it.

As for the bob long i haven't got mine yet and probably wont for a while since it's the weekend. But i've read they're very nice with co2 and hpa. And for the price it's hard to beat. And since bob long uses the torpedo regulator on his intimadators you know it has to be something good.

The shockteck bolt in my opinion is awsome. It cups the ball and the parts of thr bolt that touches the gun are made out of a plastic material so it won't scratch your gun. You also don't have to lubricate it. It's also around 35 dollars which is very nice since it's a good bolt at a very affordable price. I say go for it. My friend and i both bought one(he has a fenix) and is very satisfied with it.

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Johnny_Fred

My field rents on HPA (compressed air) for free, and i assume the shocktech bolt doesn't have o-rings, and do you have to oil the metal parts on the bolt?

So the torpedo reg and maddman rocket valve will make my spyder low pressure?

Badinflewinse

Sorry now i see what you meant about the hpa. I'll get you a picture of the shockteck bolt.The bolt has no o-rings and no you don't have to lubricate the metal parts because they dont touch the gun at all .

Only the madman rocket valve makes your gun low pressure. The torpedo regulator just needs low psi to work properly.

Edit: superfly picture

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Johnny_Fred

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why does this bolt look different than that bolt... and how do you ajust the valve?

Badinflewinse

The bolt looks different for 2 reasons. One that bolt is top cocking(fenix's) the one i showed you is mid cocking for spyders imigane and victors. Two your picture is showing the bottom of the bolt.

The valve i believe you adjust it by screwing the top portion(little pointy thing) of the valve closer or farther apart from the valve body(silver part of it).

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Johnny_Fred

So what changes to my marker will i experience by getting the bob long torpedo and the maddman rocket valve?

Badinflewinse

You will be able to have a low pressuer spyder. Working at 200-600 psi. You're shots will be very consitent(around5-7 fps apart). If low pressure is worth it is iffy. It's kind of expensive yet (i haven't done much research on low pressure so i might be wrong) it puts less pressure on the ball for the same amount of fps. So it will be more gentle on the paintball. So you'll be shooting a consistent 280-288 fps and have a chance of less ball breaks. Once again i'm not 100 precent sure on this so you'll have to do your own research to see if you want your gun low pressure.

Edit: Pretty much there are little advantages to low pressure. It's just preference.

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Johnny_Fred

So it will make it more consistent, therefore making it more accurate? and quieter? and less air? and the reason it's going low pressure is because i'm getting the regulator, and the rocket valve i need to get the regulator so the spyder's basically going low pressure because i'm getting the regulator

Badinflewinse

Yeah it could make it more accurate since there will be no velocity spikes. It probably could make it quiter although i don't know. As for less air no it will take the same air as always. Since the torpedo regulator can't work on a higher pressure then 600 psi thats why you need to get your spyder to low pressure. You can get the palmers equaliser for 90-100 dollars and you won't need the maddman rocket valve and you can keep your spyder working on high pressure.

So it's eather palmer's eqaulizer(90-100) or torpedo regulator(50-60) and rocket valve (30-40). You'll also need a macro line kit for the torpedo regulator (10-12 dollars). I'm not sure if you need a macro line kit for the palmer's equalizer, you might need one for that one also. So once again comes to preference

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Johnny_Fred

So i would need 1 foot of macroline, and how would i connect it?

EDIT: would this work

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just delete all the spaces, and i've heard a lot of macroline burts, does this happen a lot?

Badinflewinse

You would need 1 90 degree connector and if you have no drop you would need a straight connector.

Private message me the site, or you can talk to me on aim about it(badinflewinse).

Edit: Macro line is designed for co2. So busts shouldn't happen often if any at all. If you cut the line perfectly straight and connect it all right then it should be perfect and shouldn't have any problems with it. I've heard people saying they constantly change there macroline and people that barely have to.

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Johnny_Fred

so how would i get my exp-chamber and the reg I am planning on getting over the macroline?

EDIT: and would the stock hose that comes with my tl-x work with compressed air, or what shouild i get for compressed air?