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**whitty_1** · July 25th, 02:36 PM

i cant seem to find this gun anywhere except dick's. i checked teh kingman website and they didnt evern have it. its the kingman tl-r found here http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/pr...entPage=family

what are some of the specs on it?

**tmaxx_2.5** · July 25th, 04:25 PM

just like every other spyder. Is their anything you specifically need to know about it?

**<YamahaRaptor>** · July 25th, 04:29 PM

HAHHAW i just saw that TL-R delux package in the Big 5 ad. And its a mech and just like any other spyder.

**whitty_1** · July 25th, 04:38 PM

i would like some details on it as im new to paintball. is it good for wooded areas? is it just like other semiauto spyders? would i be better off with a spyder imagine-s? i like the looks and price of this marker, but i want to get something thats good and wont fail me.

**tmaxx_2.5** · July 25th, 04:45 PM

Well for wooded areas that would be very good i think. Its mech just like the other spyders. But, if you wanted an electro, then get the imagine, but if you play alot of woods, theres always the chance of maybe messing it up or something. But imo, i guess the TL-R is a good beginner gun. Btw, are you going to get that package?

**Mangudai** · July 25th, 05:17 PM

Hello

That a nice starter kit, but if you ask me you should either start out with a Xtra or a Imagine (I recommend the Imagine). The imagine is electric btw

**PBobsessed324** · July 25th, 06:33 PM

Imagines are overrated and everyone has one. Get something different. At my field I always see 5-6 Imagines. All spyders work the same but there are 2 "classes" Electric and Mechanical. The electric guns shoot faster, have lighter trigger pull, and shoot with a solenoid. The Mechanical guns have long trigger pull, slower, and the gun fires by just the sear tripping, there is no solenoid involved. I'd get an electric spyder ( Electra, pilot, Imagine..whatever you want). But with an electric spyder you need an electric hopper: Revlution 12 volt or Evlution II by viewloader. Both feed fine since spyders don't outshoot 14 BPS. All spyders are good beginner guns so that pretty much sums everything up.

Johnny_Fred · July 25th, 06:37 PM

TL-R?? never heard of it... i have the tl-x, it's shiny

**Stan** · July 25th, 06:40 PM

i think the tl-r is one of the guns knigman made to be mass produced for big-chain stores, liike wal-mart and dicks

**whitty_1** · July 25th, 08:00 PM

thanks for all the help. i think im just going to go to dicks adn buy the tl-r. its cheaper than electronic markers and it has a cheap package.

Johnny_Fred · July 25th, 08:28 PM

i think you should get the tl-x, better quality

**<YamahaRaptor>** · July 25th, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Fred

i think you should get the tl-x, better quality

What are you talking about? Their the same quality and same performance, their both made by Kingman.

Johnny_Fred · July 25th, 08:58 PM

so? victors 2's are worse quality than other mech guns by kingman

**Stan** · July 25th, 09:02 PM

thsi gun actually looks better then the tl+, its got a 15* angled asa and everything, but besides that, looks the same

**samanoususke** · July 25th, 09:31 PM

It's a TL-X with a Fenix V/A and drop.

**terrible1fi** · July 26th, 01:16 AM

my friend has a tl-r and i used it, performed just like my xtra(which performs pretty good)i'd say get it, just get a new barrel for better accuracy

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