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**epsilonbass** · August 3rd, 01:30 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that this cant be done, since nobody has done it, but does anyone think that there is a way to like switch around some wires or do whatever you need to do to some how bypass the 13 bps cap on the stock boards? would the stock solonoid be able to handle it or do the t-boards and what not come with different ones that are more powerful. Im sure if everyone puts their mind together we can find a way past 60 dollar boards.

**D FO** · August 3rd, 01:49 PM

the solenoid isnt the problem. the solenoid cant get like 42 or soemthin but the board is capped at 13 and you cant change it

**LookOverThere** · August 3rd, 02:01 PM

If it had anything to do with wires any1 could do it. But its the boards. If it wasnt the boards, they would make the T-Wires not the T-Boards. Or something.

**Javaman** · August 3rd, 02:49 PM

I searched around online a while back and found the schematics for the chip on the board. It was mostly over the top of my head and wether or not it's possible to change I couldn't tell. From what I understand the chip has an internal clock or can also be timed by an external input. I don't remember seeing other chips on the board (unless they are on the back side of the board) so it's probably limited by the internal clock in the main chip. I didn't notice if it was flashable or not.
It would probably be pretty easy to jury rig it to fire in semi as fast as you want if you forgo the status LEDs and multiple modes (auto/burst) to go with a much more direct circuit bypassing the chip.Come to think of it, that would simplify things greatly! I don't need the status LEDs since I only shoot in semi mode. With such a simple design it would be a piece of cake to add extra features like an eye or microswitch for breach detection.

**Javaman** · August 3rd, 02:53 PM

You're probably right, but even if it were the case, T-Boards would have a much better markup on them then "T-wires".

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Originally Posted by LookOverThere

If it had anything to do with wires any1 could do it. But its the boards. If it wasnt the boards, they would make the T-Wires not the T-Boards. Or something.

**The Timmynator** · August 3rd, 05:50 PM

Besides, are you even fast enough with your fingers to reach more than 13 bps ? If not, why bother asking ?

**Javaman** · August 3rd, 07:24 PM

I can't (8PBs is more then enough for me) but I'm sure others could.

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Originally Posted by The Timmynator

Besides, are you even fast enough with your fingers to reach more than 13 bps ? If not, why bother asking ?

**KingFikiElectra** · August 3rd, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Javaman

I searched around online a while back and found the schematics for the chip on the board. It was mostly over the top of my head and wether or not it's possible to change I couldn't tell. From what I understand the chip has an internal clock or can also be timed by an external input. I don't remember seeing other chips on the board (unless they are on the back side of the board) so it's probably limited by the internal clock in the main chip. I didn't notice if it was flashable or not.
It would probably be pretty easy to jury rig it to fire in semi as fast as you want if you forgo the status LEDs and multiple modes (auto/burst) to go with a much more direct circuit bypassing the chip.Come to think of it, that would simplify things greatly! I don't need the status LEDs since I only shoot in semi mode. With such a simple design it would be a piece of cake to add extra features like an eye or microswitch for breach detection.

u did that to

. I was acctually gunna make a thread on how to design a board under 20$ using only radio shack parts and stock board parts. But I was way over my head. And I wasnt to certain on which parts to get. Like power difrentiation. So i was jacked.

**Javaman** · August 4th, 02:43 PM

I wonder if the recharge speed of the large capacitor is the limiting factor why Kingman chose 13 BPS as a max speed? I'm guessing that they had to strike a balance between the amount of kick that the cap gives the solenoid and the length of time it takes to recharge it. Then again they might have chosen that speed since it is close to the max of gravity fed paintballs. I don't see why they would limit the BPS in such a competitive market otherwise.

**GBRudy16** · August 4th, 02:53 PM

I believe there was a self input bps and they decided to stick to it but they were about the only ones who did.

**KingFikiElectra** · August 4th, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Javaman

I wonder if the recharge speed of the large capacitor is the limiting factor why Kingman chose 13 BPS as a max speed? I'm guessing that they had to strike a balance between the amount of kick that the cap gives the solenoid and the length of time it takes to recharge it. Then again they might have chosen that speed since it is close to the max of gravity fed paintballs. I don't see why they would limit the BPS in such a competitive market otherwise.

My guess there would be electrical shootdown with power. The capacitor isnt that big. And it takes alot of energy to make that solenoid move. My guess is that if u have more electical flow and a larger capacitor it could work. of course with a improved board. However a Tboard and IS board have similar capasitors and are capped at 36bps I belive. i know alot about electronics but not enough to make my own board just yet.

**GBRudy16** · August 4th, 04:15 PM

yeah I've been working on this problem for awhile... its a bit of an odd one there is nothing so obvious about the board... and making a new board takes a bit of capitol... oh well.

**Denzil** · August 4th, 07:45 PM

How much are T- and IS-boards anyway? If they're not that much, I'd just assume that they are the more convenient solution to making your own board. 0?

paintballjunk12 · August 5th, 07:22 AM

Unless you have a masters degree in electrical know how and know everything about spyder boards and have the right tools there is no way to do it.

**Javaman** · August 5th, 03:39 PM

It would be a fairly simple circuit if you cut out the chip. All it really does is limit you to 13bps, gives you the firing modes and lights up the LEDs in a proper sequence. I don't need any of that since I only use semi mode.
I have a rough blueprint in my mind that probably won't work until tweeked, but the main components are...
Trigger,
On off switch
Capaciter (needs to be hooked up to the battery to charge, but also the solenoid to supply the pulse. Although the capacitor is connected to both the battery needs to be isolated from the solenoid. A transistor circuit connecting the trigger to the solenoid and the cap might work but I'm not sure exactally how they work in a circuit. I could do the same thing with a minature relay)
Relay (Completes a circuit between the battery and trigger to charge a coil which connects the cap to the solenoid)
Diode (Prevent damage to the circuit from the reverse electrical pulse when the magnetic field collapses)
LED to indicate that the gun is on.
I'll try to put together a circuit diagram and post it tonight.

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Originally Posted by paintballjunk12

Unless you have a masters degree in electrical know how and know everything about spyder boards and have the right tools there is no way to do it.

**Javaman** · August 5th, 08:28 PM

still needs some tweaking but this is the jist of it. Sorry I didn't label it but...
Left switch=Trigger
Bottom switch=power
Upper left coil=relay
Upper right coil=Solenoid
The capacitor and diode are also shown.

It would only require a cheap relay, diode, and a couple of electrical connectors to build.

One possible problem I see with it is that I need to isolate the battery from the solenoid even more. I'm not entirely sure If the solenoid will stay charged until the trigger is released or not. (undesireable!) I guess it depends on if the cap will let voltage free flow around it or not.

**KingFikiElectra** · August 5th, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by paintballjunk12

Unless you have a masters degree in electrical know how and know everything about spyder boards and have the right tools there is no way to do it.

no one said we could split a atom either but we did. Anything is possible if you want to make happen. It just takes alot of effort and time.

**samanoususke** · August 5th, 11:07 PM

The first person to create a way to mod a stock board into an uncapped board will be declared GOD. Essentially, you need to bypass the cap that shuts off the board after x amount of time inbetween each activation of the trigger switch. Keep up the good work.

Edit: I let the guys over at PBN know about this. I'm sure that someone there can help us.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=600124

paintballjunk12 · August 5th, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KingFikiElectra

no one said we could split a atom either but we did. Anything is possible if you want to make happen. It just takes alot of effort and time.

yea and the offort is getting all that stuff