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**i bunkered u** · August 13th, 12:40 PM

i personally think that this a very confusing topic for many of u ballers out there so i'am here to help u guyz out on this topic. i believe that low pressure is something that is over hyped in the paintball industry. Many people buy guns and there first goal is to go lp. heres the deal

Spyders will cycle back down at anywhere from 350-500psi. Keep in mind this is all stock. This is around the range u want to be so that your gun doesnt fart.

Spyders were designed to run at 500-600psi. This is when the gun is running at its best potential. Lp started with cockers when lp let u use lighter hammer springs.This in turn lets them run lower cocking pressures (with problems in it's own right) This does not hold true in spyder type guns. To effectively run lp u need heavy springs. These are the tpyes of springs that actually effect your chopping of balls. With heavier springs comes more choppin if u misfed. Once your springs get worn out a bit u can expect less choppin on misfeds, Spyder out of the box get pretty good gas efficency. The gun may feel different but with heavier springs comes more recoil. the one thing we try to eliminate in out spyders. This is one of the major differences in spyders and other guns is the recoil. The new breed of spyder's (slim strickers) are no longer able to reach great hights in the lp world. I've heard of an Aka rig kit that worked very well with spyders on stock springs. Basically lp is very hard to achieve on spyders and takes a very long time to work efficently; thats y i say to heed me advice and sway away from lp. its mostly just a big hype and i recomend that instead of wasting hundreds of dollars on a perfect lp setup (idn if that is even attenable) your better off spending that money elsewhere.

**Zeruel** · August 13th, 12:44 PM

Yes, LP is not worth it unless you get the Dragun The One kit. This allows you gun to cycle with a ram instead of a striker. If you lower the pressure with the one kit, it will reduce recoil, even though you will not have much anyway with the one kit.

**i bunkered u** · August 13th, 12:46 PM

keep in mind that though the one kit is a way to make your spyder shoot better and a type of lp setup it comes with a price tag and i personally hate the reg to asa setup. looks fugly!

**Zeruel** · August 13th, 12:53 PM

I guess it is all preference then. I was thinking of getting it, but then i decided to get a cocker, better all around.

**i bunkered u** · August 13th, 12:59 PM

no i reccomend an omen rather then a cocker. i hate mech triggers and the omen has a way beter trigger then the cocker buts thats not part of this thread

**D FO** · August 13th, 08:03 PM

your kidding me omens suck im not kidding the captain of my team had one and it was the worst thing hes every bought whatever you do DO NOT get an omen and spyder run at 800psi stock and i thought smart parts were the ones to start the lp trend

**i bunkered u** · August 13th, 08:59 PM

no cockers started it and my spyder ran at 450 stock so i dont no y your is much higer. y do omens suck u can get chips of them that make them just the same as ebladed cockers for like 20 bux

**KingFikiElectra** · August 13th, 09:21 PM

I personally love LP the cost that u pay for using extra air is crap. If you spend hundreds of dollars on paint and equipment an extra dollar or 2 isnt going to make you take another loan from the bank so u can pay the mortgage on your house.

Anyway besides loss of efficency I dont think there is another disadvantage to LP.

Lp-
Quiet
Less Ball breaks
No wear on parts
Sounds sexy
"pushes" the ball rather then having a quick pop of air like HP. LP allows the air to expand at a less rapid pace so it is more of a push of air then a smack.

It does cost some $ to get there tho. For a reg and a high flow valve will set you back 100$.

HP-
Slightly more economical

Loud, wears down parts, breaks paint more easily. More prone to scratch bolt and internals inderectily (IE HP more wear but slowly).

In my opinion I love LP more. It might cost a little more but its pennies compared to chopping and cleaning on your gun. not to mention LP guns look sexier (at least in spyders since you have to buy aftermarket parts). 8 of my guns run LP 4 are at HP. I still keep a few of the HP because it would be more trouble then its worth to convert some of them.

**KIL4FUN707** · August 14th, 04:59 AM

well i for one know LP is costly of course but hell dont dis them till you shoot one.THE ONE in particular well worth my pennies.

**Bryon** · August 14th, 10:42 PM

Whatever happened to efficiency? What if there was a point right between HP and LP.... the best of both worlds without any downsides? Input pressure effects velocity in a bell curve, cocker users discorvered that a long time ago. The point at the top of the bell gets you the most velocity for the least air. Anything past or infront of it is a waste. Long story short.... sweetspot your inline reg and hang on to your Benjamins.

**KingFikiElectra** · August 15th, 02:01 AM

Ya I think everyone knows about that but I could care less if I waste 5/8th's of a ounce of co2 for goin at a lower pressure

**Bryon** · August 15th, 08:42 AM

Out of the benefits you listed, only 1.5 are applicable. LP does make your gun quieter, but it still wears on your internals nearly as much as hp. Also, I after many years of playing, I have never heard of someone who had internals "break" on them... Finally, ball breakes a reduced be loader speed and anti-chop eyes. Feasibly if your mainspring is light enough you won't chop either. Having more or less force on the paintball when it is shot cannot cuase ball breaks.

**D FO** · August 15th, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by i bunkered u

no cockers started it and my spyder ran at 450 stock so i dont no y your is much higer. y do omens suck u can get chips of them that make them just the same as ebladed cockers for like 20 bux

do you have an omen? they are horrible. if you dont have one get one THEN come back and truthfully tell me its a good gun

**Bryon** · August 15th, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by i bunkered u

y do omens suck u can get chips of them that make them just the same as ebladed cockers for like 20 bux

Make them the same as e-bladed cockers for 20 bucks... I wish. The omen operates entirely off of springs. Although the design is clever and the feed system is original, Omens are no faster then an e-spyder like the imagine.

**KingFikiElectra** · August 15th, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryon

Make them the same as e-bladed cockers for 20 bucks... I wish. The omen operates entirely off of springs. Although the design is clever and the feed system is original, Omens are no faster then an e-spyder like the imagine.

There slightly faster. By 1 or 2 bps depending on which spyder you compare.

**Bryon** · August 15th, 08:30 PM

Yeah... whatever.... still not an e-bladed cocker.

**KingFikiElectra** · August 16th, 01:44 AM

No its not at all. Slower but not by much. Technically Eblades are uncapped. But its litterally impossible to walk it past 16 or even 17. So its a nicer gun but as far as speed goes its a bit faster and mcuh smoother.

**bobide** · August 16th, 02:01 AM

So is it worth it to spend the $250 on a reg, new vavle, and a bigger lpc? Just so i can save a lil gas? I'm not seeing the benifit here....

Man, the omen is FAST, its just the board limiting it b/c their cam arms can't take a halo, and therefore can't reach 20+ steadily. (right now i'm talking outta my azz, i've got no clue, i just go around reading EVERYTHING, hell i'm just newbing it!) Heck head over to pbnation, they've got some vids of omens at ~20 w/ aftermarket board. Which just costs a nice $50, they install it for ya too. I mean if a cocker can hit like 17bps and a blow back can cycle at like ~40 a second, then combining them would give u like what???? A 23???? bps max? <------TOTAL GUESS. All i know is it's a nice looking gun, and the only thing holding it back are bad feed back (i'm so tried of hearing that Sh*t) and its S L O W speed. I know many ppl don't look 2x at it b/c of its speed. They just say, hell i'll vision an imp, and go the easy way. So uhh that's my opion on that

^all of the above can be ignored b/c i DONT HAVE AN omEN!!!

**KingFikiElectra** · August 16th, 02:29 AM

250$ for a reg and valve and lpc?? HAHAHA did u read my stiky? U can get a gun and all that stuff for under 200$.

**Bryon** · August 16th, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KingFikiElectra

Technically Eblades are uncapped. But its litterally impossible to walk it past 16 or even 17.

I know it isn't easy to walk fast, but it is possible to break 20 on an e-bladed cocker. I've seen vids of the osiris that break 30 bps.