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**bobide** · November 15th, 03:40 PM

Ok so i'm going to get some nitro soon and I want a fairly efficent set up on my spyder. I plan on running a supafly bolt w/ a new torp. I want to know which valve I should run to keep it efficent and lower the pressure so i can use the trop.

**DrinkPaintDie** · November 15th, 03:56 PM

GO to Ottersccustoms.com for low pressure setups. And be carfull buying that torpedo... I think it is a meant for low pressure guns and its highest output i think is 450. Its hard to get a spyder down to 450

**bobide** · November 15th, 04:18 PM

No its a 0-600 psi reg. I've checked and heard it from the mouth of my trusted proshop. Yes i know its hard to get below even 500 w/ a spder and have it run decent still.

**DrinkPaintDie** · November 15th, 04:21 PM

Cool. I was mistaken. Then go for the torpedo i have only heard good things

**visionimpulse2k** · November 15th, 06:12 PM

i used to have a torpedo for my imagine...its an awesome reg..ur best bet for a vavle would be the aka valve..very high flowing..

**pballman31** · November 15th, 07:25 PM

or you can get a madman rocket valve they are good too.

**KingFikiElectra** · November 15th, 07:59 PM

Both are good. Remember to polish the striker. And you should be set. Remember lower pressure means lower efficency.

Cali Guy 14 · November 15th, 08:07 PM

lol fiki u got yours to 150 right, it can be done

**bobide** · November 15th, 08:33 PM

Let me clarify. I want EFFICANCY. What about the new designz valve? Will that give me say a 100psi drop so i can use the trop and keep decent efficancy? See i want to run the torp, therefore i need to drop pressure. I dont want like below 400 or anything special.

**visionimpulse2k** · November 15th, 10:21 PM

u wont need any upgrades to use the torpedo reg...spyders operate very well at 500 psi and u dont need any upgrades..just have ur velocity adjuster up and it should be fine. And if ur velocity is too low..then get a stiffer spring.

but the valve will help make it even more efficient..because then the valve wont be staying open as long as it was with the stiffer spring..ya catch my drift.

but the reg will work perfectly fine on a stock spyder..and the velocity will be fine too.

**Spec74** · November 15th, 10:53 PM

Actually if you don't get a new valve you'll starve the marker. the optimal pressure for a spyder is more like 800psi. You'll do well with any aftermarket valve but best bet on the money is the aka valve and the rocket valve.

**KingFikiElectra** · November 16th, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Guy 14

lol fiki u got yours to 150 right, it can be done

well it cycles but dosnt shoot. I can fire the gun at that pressure withiut going crazy but there no way u can play like that. U need a couple hundred or so. And i cant sonsistently sycle it at that psi anyway. Not reliable. But i did kinda cycle it at that pressure once or twice.

**Javaman** · November 16th, 02:38 PM

Like Fiki said, generally the lower the pressure you run, the less efficient it will be. It's really a trade off if you want to have a quieter gun that breaks slightly less paint.

If you want a truely efficient gun you need to look at your valve notch. The smaller you can make the notch (sending less air back to the striker) the better your efficiency is going to be. Idealy you want to get it to the point where there is just enough pressure to recock it at the coldest temperature (inside the CO2 tank) you will likely be playing. HPA will allow you to go closer to the brink, but always leave yourself some wiggle room for wear and tear and minor inconsistant shots.
The reason that this works is that by reducing the size of the valve notch you send more to the bolt, increasing the speed of the ball over what you would normally get at a set spring strength. You send less gas to the striker so not nearly as much is wasted. In most stock setups the striker buffer is overused. The less extra striker overmotion you have the more shots you will get and the less kick the gun will have. A strong back kick against the striker buffer is a direct waste of CO2 energy. Another gain is that if you reduce the amount going to the striker, the bolt will stay in the breech position for *slightly* longer allowing more air to push the ball before the bolt moves back opening up the feedneck for the rest of it to escape.

**bobide** · November 16th, 04:22 PM

I dont care about breaking or sound, i care about having a nice running back up gun for when i get my b2k5 (if ever, silly parents)

Now i dont want INSANE efficancy or low pressure. I just want to use a torp which means i'll need a valve (in order to run consistantly). So i guess i'll get the ND one, they make good stuff. It claims to drop pressure by 100psi which is what i kinda desire. I plan on getting hpa, and running anti-siponed co2 on the spyder. Maybe a spring kit later. Hey i'd love reduced kick if i have the possiblity to b/c of the valve.

**visionimpulse2k** · November 16th, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spec74

Actually if you don't get a new valve you'll starve the marker. the optimal pressure for a spyder is more like 800psi. You'll do well with any aftermarket valve but best bet on the money is the aka valve and the rocket valve.

not neccessarily tru..i has a stock spyder imagine running at 500 psi with my torpedo easy..shooting 300 fps too..so u dont need a valve...try it out on ur gun...you'll see what im talking about..That is why the fenix and stuff is stock at 500 psi..and they have similar valves....too bad i sold the bugger so i cant take a video and show u guys... but spec..just try it out if u dont believe me.

the valve will make it run more efficiently at 5 or 600...but u dont need i to run a torpedo..

I actually never had a valve for my imagine...the only thing that made it higher flowing was an assault block..but it worked fine without the block

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