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**rxpman100** · December 5th, 10:47 PM

Hey guys, i have the older version of the imagine, and i currently have a Halo TSA backman, and i have upgraded my gun, and i feel that the TSA is not keeping up with my fast fingers/ACS bolt/CIP Trigger. I was thinking about uping to a Halo B or maybe the Emp Reloader and i wasn't sure if anyone else had this setup with the halo and imagine.. My main question is whether or not my ball detents will hold up with the halos force feed... and lastly is there detent upgrades for my imagine?Thanks -D-

**tmaxx_2.5** · December 6th, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rxpman100

not keeping up with my fast fingers/ACS bolt/CIP Trigger.

bolt and a trigger still equal 13 bps cap, which is just about what your tsa feeds, but if you want a halo, go for it..

**kidpaintballer** · December 6th, 08:45 AM

the halo and the emp reloader are the same thing only the emp. has rip drive, so i would go with the halo.

**Zynister** · December 6th, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kidpaintballer

the halo and the emp reloader are the same thing only the emp. has rip drive, so i would go with the halo.

No...The Halo has eyes to sense when there isn't paint in the feedneck, then it puts more paint in, the Empire comes stock with Rip Drive AND is sound activated, so it puts more paint after every time you shoot. Some people complain about the Halo's eyes not working on dark shelled paint, so if you don't want to worry about that go with the Empire.

I have read about some people saying that the Halo pushes balls past their stock spyder detent, and then people recommended new detents. Try searching maybe you will have luck with that.

**ImpulseDragon** · December 6th, 09:24 AM

I'd say go with the Halo only because if you upgrade to a new gun that's faster than your Imagine, you'll have a hopper that keeps up.

**stupidlikeaf0x** · December 6th, 04:31 PM

You shouldn't have problems with the detent and a Halo or Reloader B. I don't. Some people have had dual detents installed though for assurance.

**spyshark** · December 7th, 03:59 AM

Well I have heard both that they work great and they suck with the stock dentents,I don't know wich camp to believe.I am in the process of ordering two halos and one is for my spyder so I can tell you after xmas.Even it the gun is modded you will not get more than 14bps unless you change the board.You might check and see if you are getting blow by past the bolt orings when it is fired that will cause the balls to slow down dropping into the gun because some gas is going up out the feedneck.I read a thread in PBnation( Can I say that?) wher you can checkit by putting one ball in the chamber and with the hopper off lay a piece of tissue over the feedneck and fire.If it blows the tissue off of the gun you have excess blowbyif it stays you are nuetral and if it tries ti kinda suck it in you have positive suction(That's what your are looking for!)There are a few things that you can do one make sure your bolt has orings (Superfly dudes are not going to want to hear that)and is making a good seal.Then you will need a good paint to barrel match wich helps in the suction process.Decreasing the valve dwell by using a heavier spring also helps.Right now my rodeo is in suction mode I am using a quatum vl which is rated at 8bps and can shoot a string with no chops I think it is being helped by two things ,one the suction of the gun and two a high ball stack.You can do a search over at PBN and find the threads that have more info on this which may help clear any questions up.Sorry for the long thread and hope this helps.The suction theory works with all blowbacks BTW.

**rxpman100** · December 7th, 02:32 PM

Yea i haven't ever heard of the suction thing, but it makes perfectly good sense...I DID notice that when i was just playing around with not paint i would shoot, and it would blow my hopper lid up and that i am deffinatly not getting a suction..it has to be what the problem is.. Im not sure what to do because i have the new ACS bolt and its delrin and doesn't have any orings.. what do i need to do about that?

**spyshark** · December 7th, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rxpman100

Yea i haven't ever heard of the suction thing, but it makes perfectly good sense...I DID notice that when i was just playing around with not paint i would shoot, and it would blow my hopper lid up and that i am deffinatly not getting a suction..it has to be what the problem is.. Im not sure what to do because i have the new ACS bolt and its delrin and doesn't have any orings.. what do i need to do about that?

The test will not work without a paintball chambered in the gun.Give you gun the test first then see how it stands.Well that would probably be where a force feed hooper comes in.

**stupidlikeaf0x** · December 8th, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spyshark

Well I have heard both that they work great and they suck with the stock dentents,I don't know wich camp to believe.I am in the process of ordering two halos and one is for my spyder so I can tell you after xmas.Even it the gun is modded you will not get more than 14bps unless you change the board.You might check and see if you are getting blow by past the bolt orings when it is fired that will cause the balls to slow down dropping into the gun because some gas is going up out the feedneck.I read a thread in PBnation( Can I say that?) wher you can checkit by putting one ball in the chamber and with the hopper off lay a piece of tissue over the feedneck and fire.If it blows the tissue off of the gun you have excess blowbyif it stays you are nuetral and if it tries ti kinda suck it in you have positive suction(That's what your are looking for!)There are a few things that you can do one make sure your bolt has orings (Superfly dudes are not going to want to hear that)and is making a good seal.Then you will need a good paint to barrel match wich helps in the suction process.Increasing the valve dwell by using a lighter spring also helps.Right now my rodeo is in suction mode I am using a quatum vl which is rated at 8bps and can shoot a string with no chops I think it is being helped by two things ,one the suction of the gun and two a high ball stack.You can do a search over at PBN and find the threads that have more info on this which may help clear any questions up.Sorry for the long thread and hope this helps.The suction theory works with all blowbacks BTW.

Pretty good post. Only thing is that you want to have a shorter dwell, not a longer one. Using a light main and heavy valve spring is what you're shooting for.

**rxpman100** · December 8th, 02:36 PM

well i have a spring kit and i usually just change the main springs around..i have never changed the valve springs... but i do have the light/med/heavy springs for it.. is that recomended that i use the heavy valve and the lighter or medium main springs...does any of this differ during different weather changes...thanks..

**spyshark** · December 11th, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stupidlikeaf0x

Pretty good post. Only thing is that you want to have a shorter dwell, not a longer one. Using a light main and heavy valve spring is what you're shooting for.

Well thanks for not flaming on me but you are 100% right you need to decraese the valve dwell by using a heavier spring and a light main.I went and edited ny original post.Funny thing thing is I am using a light spring I put my heavy in today and will run some test with the crono this weekend.I have to bow and say your kung fu is better.

**KingFikiElectra** · December 11th, 05:21 PM

Detents should be fine acctually. I dont think you would need a aftermarket one. Im acctually not sure if they do make aftermarket ones?

**sick_dawg** · December 12th, 02:36 AM

There are some aftermarket detents, but I have never actually seen anyone have a problem with the stock ones. I havent had any trouble with my halo pushing past the detents at all, it works great.

**rxpman100** · December 13th, 06:35 PM

I8 well thanks for all the help guys...i have just purchased some new stuff and i am starting to get everything adjusted the way i need to for the weather..Ill let ya know how it works out if i decide to up to HaloB...lata

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