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**Mr.Eggbert** · December 19th, 04:25 PM

HEY HEY LOW PRESSURE SPYDER!
I have been having a hard time figuring both what i need and which of the products to use on the spyder imagine I will be buying. I want to run HPA at the lowest pressure possible, and after looking up how to do a lp spyder on ottercustoms.com I am really confused.
here are the parts and where to buy them (most all of them) but why not just use all the parts from aka?

can someone break this down for me?? thanks a bunch

HIGH FLOWING BOLT
**AKA lighting
**Mod orignal bolt^^

HIGH FLOWING VALVE
**Maddmann Rocket^^
http://www.***********.com/index.asp...PROD&ProdID=24

thats paintball g i that got blanked

REGULATORS
**Vigilatne by *AKA
http://www.paintballgeeks.com/airamvig.html

SPRING KIT
**32 Degrees spring kit
http://store.paintballace.com/spspkit.html

Why can't i just use all these parts?
http://www.akalmp.com/lowpres.htm

thanks

**spyshark** · December 20th, 12:31 AM

Ummmm I guess you could ,LOL. Just remember low pressure will be lower than stock but it may not go as low as you could be expecting it to.

**spyder person** · December 22nd, 07:12 PM

well i hate to burst your bubble but all lp does is save co2 and add t oconsistency so 100+ bucks isent worth it but before i knew this i had the parts the ones i would get would be
1 the blue bolt best there will be but youll need to wait a little
2maddman vaulve
3 15* assult block
4 use thne 32 degrees kit and use a weak main spring
5 a bob long reg

ok i wouldnt get the tornado it isent worth it these parts are the best you could use if you insist on going lp

**KingFikiElectra** · December 22nd, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spyder person

well i hate to burst your bubble but all lp does is save co2 and add t oconsistency so 100+ bucks isent worth it but before i knew this i had the parts the ones i would get would be
1 the blue bolt best there will be but youll need to wait a little
2maddman vaulve
3 15* assult block
4 use thne 32 degrees kit and use a weak main spring
5 a bob long reg

ok i wouldnt get the tornado it isent worth it these parts are the best you could use if you insist on going lp

Accutally it does quite the oppisote. Well, partially, it is more consistent but it makes the gun into a gas hog. The less pressure the more volume. The more volume of gas means more gas is required at a lower pressure.

Since it would take a small amount of gas at a high pressure to move a spyders internals it only makes sence for a large amount of gas at a low pressure to do the same.

Advantages of going LP:
Quieter
Less wear and tear
Sounds alot better
Consistent
Less chops

Disadvanteges
Gas hog...
Expensive

Advateges of HP
Efficent
cheap

Disadvantges
Loud
More chops
Not as consistent
Again...More chops

**spyder person** · December 23rd, 12:47 PM

the palmer guy tested it and said theres no benefit or at least it was so small that it wasent worth the money and im kind of thinking the same thing for the most part lp is a way to get money from unsuspecting players who dont think that people could lie to them to get money

**Mr.Eggbert** · December 23rd, 10:33 PM

1 the blue bolt best there will be but youll need to wait a little
2maddman vaulve
3 15* assult block
4 use thne 32 degrees kit and use a weak main spring
5 a bob long reg

ok i wouldnt get the tornado it isent worth it these parts are the best you could use if you insist on going lp

what brand and really what is an assault block/
what is a blue bolt

Hey Fiki what parts would you suggest?

**KingFikiElectra** · December 24th, 05:31 AM

I think we got the jist of this...

**Mr.Eggbert** · December 24th, 06:47 PM

what brand and really what is an assault block/
what is a blue bolt

Hey Fiki what parts would you suggest?

**spyder person** · December 24th, 07:11 PM

check it products make the assult block
blue bolts are made by apocolips custom paintball(i think thats how you spell it)

**Tex** · December 24th, 09:09 PM

The assault block is an overpriced pipe coupler that tilts your grip at a 15 degree angle and restricts air flow. Don't buy it. Instead, get a drill and drill out your the hole in your vertical adapter.

**Mr.Eggbert** · December 24th, 11:55 PM

hey anyone agree that the 15 degree assalut block is over priced>>?

**stupidlikeaf0x** · December 25th, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Eggbert

hey anyone agree that the 15 degree assalut block is over priced>>?

Yes. It's one of the dumbest Spyder upgrades IMO. The only VA worth buying is a Dragun VA, but if you get that you would need either a Dragun valve spring or a Rocket valve. I would recommend just drilling out your stock VA because it'll give the same effect as the assault block for free.

**spyder person** · December 25th, 10:02 PM

yeah but if you screw it up you have to get one anyway so you might as well just go ahead and buy one

**stupidlikeaf0x** · December 26th, 12:38 AM

Why not just try it first and buy a new one if you screw up? There's no point in buying something that isn't that great. If you really want a new VA, get a Dragun one because they are way higher flow than an assault block.

**paintthecatBLUE** · December 26th, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KingFikiElectra

Accutally it does quite the oppisote. Well, partially, it is more consistent but it makes the gun into a gas hog. The less pressure the more volume. The more volume of gas means more gas is required at a lower pressure.

Since it would take a small amount of gas at a high pressure to move a spyders internals it only makes sence for a large amount of gas at a low pressure to do the same.

Advantages of going LP:
Quieter
Less wear and tear
Sounds alot better
Consistent
Less chops

Disadvanteges
Gas hog...
Expensive

Advateges of HP
Efficent
cheap

Disadvantges
Loud
More chops
Not as consistent
Again...More chops

a low pressure setup does not make the gun a "gas hog." i can't really prove that it makes it more efficient either. but they both use the same amount of gas from the tank. in high pressure setups, only a small VOLUME of gas is used, but it is under high pressure. the small volume is under high pressure so it expands rapidly into a huge volume when it leaves the gun. in a low pressure setup, more gas is used but at a lower pressure, so the large volume will only expand about half as much. in the end you have exactly the same amount of gas coming out of the gun. it is a trade off of volume for pressure. more pressure means more volume when it enters the atmosphere. you could say running a low pressure gun is like turning the whole gun into a giant expansion chamber by allowing the gas to decompress before it hits the ball. your gun will not be a gas hog when you change it to low pressure because it is trading volume for pressure and should use the same amount of gas. i think low pressure setups should be more efficient because the gas that hits the ball doesnt have to expand rapidly to propel the ball. high pressure setups may lose efficiency because the much higher pressure makes the gas sort of "explode" in an effort to equalize with atmospheric pressure, and it will find any escape route it can out of the gun, whereas lower pressure gas will be more directed at the paintball. don't quote me on any of this because i am by no means an airsmith... but i think it makes sense.

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