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**Ja289** · April 24th, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatIs4Beating

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.

As soon as you drop all the modest talk and try and turn it into a government, problems will arise.

first of all, a communist HAS to be enforced by the government... do you honestly believe people will voluntarily all commit to a communist economy? no. thats why the government establishes quotas, runs business, and hands out jobs. the only problems that arise are because poor nations that are struggling commonly have some type of revolution. look at the cold war.. almost every communist nation was in poverty and dictators overthrew the government and established communism to get their economy going again.

**Spudchucker** · April 24th, 11:58 PM

true communism is a non-government enforced, everybody-does-their-part-for-the-cause utopia. that is why many religions are infact variations of karl marx's dream

**Ja289** · April 25th, 12:05 AM

thats why communism is ridiculous and completely absurd. people who actually believe that if EVERYONE did their part for EACH OTHER that we would all live in harmony with no worries. seriously, get your head out of your ass and look at a REALISTIC point of view and stop praising communism as so believable. you make it seem like the idea of communism is more realistic than lets say... no money and everyone gets what they want whenever they want..

**Spudchucker** · April 25th, 12:13 AM

wtf? im saying christianity is communism, and it is the kind of "utopian communist society" that karl marx dreampt of.

i in no way support communist government. the only way this variation of communism will work is if they're all doing it for god. and it does work.

**ComradeMolyneux** · April 25th, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Spudchucker

wtf? im saying christianity is communism, and it is the kind of "utopian communist society" that karl marx dreampt of.

i in no way support communist government. the only way this variation of communism will work is if they're all doing it for god. and it does work.

So you would support communism for god but not for working class freedom and rights... interesting...

**Spudchucker** · April 25th, 12:21 AM

i never said anything about supporting christian communism. i simply said it is something THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. i stated an observation. jesus you guys are ****ing shallow

**Ja289** · April 25th, 12:25 AM

thats true... but he also thinks hes communist and knows everything about communism because he reads noam chumsky (because he believes everything he reads) and the communist manifesto. honestly you have no idea what you're talking about. (that wasnt directed to spud)

**MrMacDude** · April 25th, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Spudchucker

i think it is fairly safe to say that christianity (i dont know about catholics, but atleast on the protestant side) is essentially a utopian communist society.

Since when do christians live in a utopian society?

Last I checked, more people have died in the name of jesus than anyone else.

Religion is an extension of man's insecurity, and it got way out of hand. It has nothing to do with any form of government, and to think otherwise is an exercise in futility.

**MrMacDude** · April 25th, 12:34 AM

Your title of your thread states "communism a success" because christianity is as a success, and you seem to have found a commonality between them.

This "argument" has two glaring flaws. It is a priori, and this comparison between the two is generic and vague.

Any form of government fits your "template" for being christian.

Keep your religion out of my government.

**Spudchucker** · April 25th, 12:36 AM

i never said government. i said society. and ill do whatever the hell i please with your government

**MrMacDude** · April 25th, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Spudchucker

communism can work, if you bring religion into it

Mixing religion and government is like mixing pottasium and water (boom)

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Originally Posted by Spudchucker

i never said government. i said society.

Is there a difference?

If communism isnt referring to government, what are you talking about?

If this were the 50s, I'd so try you for treason.

As Sen. Joe McCarthy once said (A raging lunatic and a drunk):

"The world is split into two camps, the Christian Democrats, and the Communist Atheists."

**Spudchucker** · April 25th, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMacDude

Mixing religion and government is like mixing pottasium and water (boom)

communism doesnt have to be a government. once you realize that, you know what i mean

**Ja289** · April 25th, 12:45 AM

he, whats funny about youre idea is that it completely contradicts the communist ideals. one of them being that religion is the 'opium of masses'

**MrMacDude** · April 25th, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Spudchucker

communism doesnt have to be a government. once you realize that, you know what i mean

Of course it does. Thats what communism is. How are you going to have someone to be a communist without being allowed to force them? Don't say religion cause thats a load of crap. No rational american(or anyone) would put your interests in front of his.

Why is this sense of community you are offering through your religion as a vessel contrary to that of capitalism? Are you suggesting captialism and chrisitianity are opposed? Maybe now we can get rid of the capitalists. I always hated them.

Personally, I'd rather do away with the christians.

**MrMacDude** · April 25th, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ja289

being that religion is the 'opium of masses'

Close.

Religion is the 'opiate' of the masses - Karl Marx

Spuds problem is that he is confusing "communism" with "community"

(and then proceeding to tell me that I should have just assumed that)

**Spudchucker** · April 25th, 12:48 AM

the way it is set up, it is very similar to communist ideals, which i explained earlier in this thread. the only problem with this, is that you are anal retentive.

**Ja289** · April 25th, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMacDude

Close.

Religion is the 'opiate' of the masses - Karl Marx

lol damnit i hate when you try to sound smart and you say the wrong word

**MrMacDude** · April 25th, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Spudchucker

set way it is set up, it is very similar to communist ideals, which i explained earlier in this thread. the only problem with this, is that you are anal retentive.

Although that first sentence has no subject other than It, and doesn't make sense, I'm going to assume you meant

"Set up the way it is set up now,christianity is very similar to communist ideals."

What the hell is wrong with you? No it isn't, and 50 years ago you'd be excommunicated for suggesting so.

Christianity: God first, the other fellow second, myself last, etc.
Communist Ideals: All men should be equal in all aspects. By the way, no god.

You are basically saying that "If people were nicer, the world would be a better place." No ****.

**MrMacDude** · April 25th, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ja289

lol damnit i hate when you try to sound smart and you say the wrong word

Don't worry, you still sounded smart. The quote is very profound and applicable.