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**demonpoptart** · November 27th, 12:09 PM

the memory pill from 60 minutes, which in humans could possibly help us remember things more readily, or forget things that are traumatizing to humans...

in this situation they're using it to forget things that we would like to forget...

The Memory Pill

this idea seems capable of going pretty far...

i'd really like to see how it affects humans with PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) in a real life situation...

***DarkTamer*** · November 27th, 12:31 PM

That's creepy. Seems like a huge step towards complete brainwashing to me.

**Mario** · November 27th, 02:17 PM

I got one, but I forgot where I put it.

**green paint** · November 27th, 02:20 PM

Hope they can get it to work well. Some people would need this.

**punk_pntballar** · November 27th, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario

I got one, but I forgot where I put it.

ha ha you probably took it, an it erased your memory.

About the brainwashing thing, yea i agree.

"QUOTE" "Has anyone considered what criminals can do with this drug? Isn't guilt and shame a factor in keeping some people honest and law abiding? Now if someone steals something or even MURDERS someone, All they would have to do is take a pill and not feel bad about it at all. I think it could be a great asset to some people but a very dangerous way to escape the guilt feelings that the criminal element would, and SHOULD feel." "END QUOTE"

I think that the criminal thing could and probably would happen. Watch this pill turn into a illegal drug.

**Jinjiro** · November 27th, 04:01 PM

We discussed this in my writing class last quarter, and I must say that I am 100% completely against it.

Anyone ever read Brave New World or seen Eternal Sunshine On A Spotless Mind?

Memories are what make us human. They make us who we are. Both good and bad memories comprise our soul, our being, our essence. We learn from our past mistakes and downfalls and traumas. Our bad memories make us stronger and prepare us for the future. If we get rid of these bad memories, how could we possibly handle future dilemmas? Eventually our only course of action would be to 'pop another pill'.

Aside from these individual issues, what happens when one person decides to take the pill, but others involved do not? Example: the Holocaust. You decide to forget about your terrible experience, but many others do not. What happens when the people you were in there with talk to you about it? Will you remember, and relive everything? Or will you be delusional or psychotic or depressed?

We as people need to remember our past, no matter how horrific. You might say, "Oh, well what if someone was raped?" If everyone who is raped takes this pill, isn't that just hiding the problem rather than confronting it and trying to prevent it? Think of how many rape victims become motivational speakers to speak out on the issue, or offer guidance and council to others who have been raped. The same goes for PTSD victims. Who will remind us of the horrors of war? Who will help lead the way for peace?

History repeats itself, especially when no one remembers what the past has brought. Messing with memory is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs in my opinion.

-Jin

**The FrenchToast** · November 27th, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinjiro

We discussed this in my writing class last quarter, and I must say that I am 100% completely against it.

Anyone ever read Brave New World or seen Eternal Sunshine On A Spotless Mind?

Memories are what make us human. They make us who we are. Both good and bad memories comprise our soul, our being, our essence. We learn from our past mistakes and downfalls and traumas. Our bad memories make us stronger and prepare us for the future. If we get rid of these bad memories, how could we possibly handle future dilemmas? Eventually our only course of action would be to 'pop another pill'.

Aside from these individual issues, what happens when one person decides to take the pill, but others involved do not? Example: the Holocaust. You decide to forget about your terrible experience, but many others do not. What happens when the people you were in there with talk to you about it? Will you remember, and relive everything? Or will you be delusional or psychotic or depressed?

We as people need to remember our past, no matter how horrific. You might say, "Oh, well what if someone was raped?" If everyone who is raped takes this pill, isn't that just hiding the problem rather than confronting it and trying to prevent it? Think of how many rape victims become motivational speakers to speak out on the issue, or offer guidance and council to others who have been raped. The same goes for PTSD victims. Who will remind us of the horrors of war? Who will help lead the way for peace?

History repeats itself, especially when no one remembers what the past has brought. Messing with memory is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs in my opinion.

-Jin

so very true

**NOR*ILL-Mongrel** · November 27th, 07:05 PM

I completely agree with Jin.

**Number One Andrew** · November 27th, 08:24 PM

Wait, what's the big deal? Isn't this a medical advance?

(Andrew wants some debate going).

**imhungry** · November 27th, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Number One N00b

Wait, what's the big deal? Isn't this a medical advance?

(Andrew wants some debate going).

stop and think of how many horrible things could happen with a pill like this. im very against it

**Number One Andrew** · November 27th, 08:56 PM

Let's discuss a broader subject (and yes, I'm aware of the evils something such as this pose)-

Is science dehumanizing us?

**The FrenchToast** · November 27th, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Number One N00b

Let's discuss a broader subject (and yes, I'm aware of the evils something such as this pose)-

Is science dehumanizing us?

Science in general.....no........aspects of science such as this? .......most definitely

**demonpoptart** · November 28th, 08:10 AM

this is a wonderful breakthrough in science and technology today, but i think it could be made more useful in the opposite fashion, where we get adrenaline rather than the memory suppressant.

then they could market it to college students and appropriately help increase memory of studying and, therefore, reduce the need to study so rigorously…

the form they’re in now seem to be like a ‘live’ roofie, where you’re awake during and forget after. this medicine, though it could help thousands, at the same time, like most anything else, in the wrong hands could do some serious damage.

Honestly, to me, this does sound a lot like the ‘new’ brainwashing technique…

**tippmann666** · November 28th, 11:56 AM

what makes us human is nothing more than our ability to alter ourselves and surroundings.

its not like theyre making you take the pill against your will, so its not brainwash YET. if you want brainwash, study MK ULTRA, cause that was brainwash, and murder.....

**Jinjiro** · November 28th, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tippmann666

what makes us human is nothing more than our ability to alter ourselves and surroundings.

Animals can do the same thing. Are you saying they are human as well?

-Jin

**tippmann666** · November 28th, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinjiro

Animals can do the same thing. Are you saying they are human as well?

-Jin

i should have elaborated more.

idk, i was thinking crazy, i guess i meant we think about almost everything we do, and we do the things we do for (most of the time) very selfish, conceited reasons. animals usually do things out of instinct/survival. our selfish/conceited behavior might have to do with instinct/survival, i don't know, i really don't care either.
i don't even know if any of this **** I'm spewing even makes sense in words, because you can never fully translate thought into words.

whateva

**ComradeMolyneux** · November 28th, 12:56 PM

I'm all for memory pills. IF someone wants to alter their body, and we are capable of doing it, I say it is their right as a free person to do so.

**Jinjiro** · November 28th, 01:18 PM

What if it affects more than one person though? I think you'd be naive to believe that 'altering' yourself always only affects you.

-Jin

**punk_pntballar** · November 28th, 01:18 PM

Failures or bad experiences make up our personallity. Without remembering them we won't be able to fix it so we don't do it again.