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Old December 5th, 2012, 08:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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anyone else ever had tenure professors at a university?

I hate them, seriously, i thought tenure was supposed to mean they are good at what they do?

a brief history of the tenure professors i have had

photo instructor Alex- i seriously wonder exactly how much photography she actually knew, never spoke about lighting, barely ever mentioned anything in the technical side of photography. while in one intermediate photo class she told everyone that the next one (called "creative print") was going to involve washing our print paper in chemicals and then sending it through a large format printer that she managed to get for free, after everyone was excited about this and signed up for the class we all showed up on the first day and she proceeded to tell us that she had changed her mind and we would not be sending chemically treated papers though a printer but rather this process called photo transfers. she opened the first lesson on those by saying, and i quote "now i have never done this but..."

computer arts Natalie - really i think she just assumed everyone knew everything about the whole adobe creative suite and got frustrated after an hour long lecture on how to go about doing what she wanted us to do, all the while throwing different commands in CS at us someone eventually had to ask which tool it was that did the one thing she showed us at some point in the last hour

and finally Jewelry instructor kieth-overall a fairly good instructor but one of the laziest people on the planet. there is always enough people to run the jewelry classes, always. he is always getting on his students about getting stuff done on time and then waits till the last 2 weeks of each quarter to grade EVERYTHING people have turned in through the quarter. One of the things about tenure instructors at my school (at least in the art program anyway) is every few years i think it is, they are required do an art show showcasing recent work. keith, because he is lazy, has done nothing so rather than taking it on himself and working hard for his stuff that is due in February, he canceled the winter class that already had a lot of interest and personally screwed up my graduation timeline

on the other hand, non-tenure professors

history professor Joan- i hate history, and yet in the year i had her teaching art history they were some of the most enjoyable classes i have taken. naturally because she was good at it and has had an injured wrist for the better part of 2 years, after the year she taught art history, the school decided she would be better to teach drawing....


sculpture Howard - supper laid back but will take as much time explaining something as you need and will always offer advise around an issue you have encountered

current photography instructor gustavo- long story short Alex up and left 2 weeks before fall quarter last year leaving the school high and dry in the photo department, they went through one grad student last year (he was ok) but then had more time to find gustavo, guy knows his photography almost better than anyone i have ever met


TL;DR- maybe its just my experience but it seems to me that once an instructor hits tenure they just work for a paycheck and not to actually teach anymore. but as to why the school continues this when its not like the ability to teach goes up any is beyond me. i still had better schooling at community college.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 08:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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depends on the focus of your uni. i found my tenured profs to be the more unlikable bunch. my opinion: tenured profs are there for the research side of things. teaching is a requirement of their tenure, but that's not their "job"

teaching profs are there for just that. to teach. they enjoy teaching.

of course this is coming from a guy who graduated from a research-centric university (Simon Fraser Uni)
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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my GF is in the education program, she wants to teach preschool, she said the tenure professors over there are great but in a lot of ways that makes sense, they got in it to teach and that is exactly what they are doing.

outside the education department there seems to be not a lot of love for tenure. One of the guys i work with i was talking about it with, he actually did a big study on it. found out that in the 18 years the tenure practice has been around, US education has fallen in the rankings worldwide starting from the first year it was brought in. the year before tenure we were #1 in education, now we are #70 something and there has not been one year where we have gone up in the rankings.
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job security leads to people not caring as much
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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ya thats what i think, if you look at it from an artist's point of view, why work on your own stuff and hopefully get paid when you could get a secured paycheck through the school?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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if you look at it from an artist's point of view,
I have tried to do this before, and I honestly can't understand how an artistic mind works. They're so abstract and out there... it's so weird. They connect things and say tings that make no sense to me at all.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Marcel Duchamp F-ed up the art world....

his urinal i think was a fantastic idea in context, but ever since then nobody can define "art" beyond "art is what the artist makes" and if you ask who is an artist the replay is "someone who makes art"

granted i think there are some decent ideas out there but around the 20s it started slowly and gained a lot of momentum in the 50s to the point where it is today when you can build a complete pile of garbage and then call it "art".

in today's art world the sad truth is that its not really about what you make, but who you know and how you talk about it that counts.
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I've had several instructors that were tenured. Student reviews do factor into getting tenure, which is why you have noticed those working towards tenure put more effort into lectures.

Some professors can really teach. Others just aren't good at communicating all the knowledge that's in their head that got them that job. I've had a mix of both.
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art is so undefined that its impossible for us to find a place in the world. i want to do installations, like large scale ubiquitous environment installations, but a) no funding and b) no venues and c) what's the "real world" value of it?
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public art, almost always with grants to do it, that stuff gets expensive and the "value" is pretty much always based around whoever is giving you the money to do it
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