jonnythan

97% of statistics are made up on the spot.

TonyD

Arrogant this, arrogant that...bla bla bla...did you NOT realize that it's not also "arrogant" to say that you are smarter than most adults and being willing to bet on it? The ONLY reason that you would know more than "50%" is because many people don't care to associate themselves with politics. Nobody EVER said that once you turn 18 "Oh my god, I just realized all this crap!!!!1!!one!" Many 25 year olds and 30 year olds, hell, my 38 year old dad don't know jack about politics. BUT a 15 year old kid isn't going to have the life experiance of someone older...I don't care how much you argue it you ARE NOT going to have the experience of someone 10 years older. Why? Because they're TEN YEARS OLDER. Now if I sounded arrogant trying to get my point across....damn.



I'm 16.

Weasel-03

you 43.5% got me there . Well you notice how I said about. I was estimating. I do agree with you on your statistic.

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TinyTim

ha remember I am really bubbajr. not tinytim. I only turn 18 so don't think I am labeling anything. Don't bash anti flag and such. I am going to see them in like a month. I feel that there music isn't to change impresionable minds but to cator to those of us who already have anti government setiments.

Governement is a firm part of todays world and every cultures world. A world without gov. would be a utopia and seeing we are not perfect or even close it is far away. To have any difference in the crap that our country is in we must change our government. We are in an experimental government that needs to be cut in half. We need to use our governement to only protect our boarders and defend the people themselves. Instead our taxes continue to go up and loose spending. that is bull. The idea that we need to put spending forward so retards can recieve money to go to college or a certain minority gets a better chance then others to get into a certain college. Also public schools should be supported by the governement but instead of forcing all kids to go to it they must pay more dues to continue there schooling. The high way system should also be government controled will dues paid for use. Taxes should be cut hardcore and we would all be happier.

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NYY

wen i talk to u on aim ur a wigger, wen u make a point on pbf, ur a suburban white man

jonnythan

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TinyTim

wow thanks for those periods..I really needed to see all the periods in a row. I have a qoute that fits you wonderfully.
'never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.' you see you are worthless. And yes nyy normally i don't stick out the fact that I have a large IQ but instead am normal and like PAINTBALL.

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Phantom13

You are a MORON. We are talking about politics dip**** not life experience. Read the thread lol you a retard. And actually bubbajr was the one who argued that and I was talking to him.

Read the thread...Post related to the thread...

sabhombre

It's nice to know that you can respond to your arguments without lowering yourself to an immature spew of insults....oh wait, you can't.

I've also taken the time to correct your totally moronic (not to mention ironic) post so that us non-idiot folk can read it.

TinyTim

hmm its a good thing you are bashing people when no one knows you? You walk in without helping anyone and instead correct someones grammar and spelling skills. Newslfash for you....no one cares about grammar and spelling. As long as its remotely close then its fine.

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NYY

seriuosly, some peoples' only defense is the grammar mistakes of someone on the other side

D_Smalls

man oh man

two choices.. my hat to you.

well, I am 15 and I fully agree with some of the others.. kids that think they have their political view point or whatever or silly. that's right silly. Oh yeah sure ya got an good idea.. but you're 15.. you have no adult life experience.. sure you can read about it or watch it on tv.. but its a bit different living it.

thats why i think 15 year old anarchist are a joke.. what the hell do they know. (BTW anarchy is gay)

but yeah, silly thread, and dude that was *****ing everyone out, Phantom13 i believe it was, can it.

eat me people

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Mike

jonnythan and TonyD456...bravo. You both made my point for me, but allow me to make a rebuttal on behalf of both you guys and myself:

As these two said, there is no amount of reading the editorial section of the newspaper or watching political TV that can give you the life experience (yes, that's life experience, and it matters when it comes to politics) that will afford you a complete view of what you actually think.

To insult someone by calling them arrogant and then make such a horrendously untrue statement as your knowing more than 50% of adults...bad form. It's ironic, and moronic, and I for one don't tolerate that kind of stupidity in the name of "political knowledge."

In fact, let me keep going on that point: the simple fact that you are too biased to actually see it is insulting to the thousands of people, both liberal and conservative, who are respectful enough to firmly believe in their views and still hold respect for those in the other political camps and their beliefs. Oh, I'm not sure if you knew this or not, but there ARE quite a few more political parties than just liberal and conservative...maybe you should read up on that too, or ask your parents about it, since that's likely where you got your political views in the first place.

As others have said, it's not like once you hit legal voting age you are suddenly flooded with an intense knowledge of the in's and out's of politics. I'm 26 years old: in the scheme of things, I still don't know jack about politics, and I've been interested in them since my mid to late teens. I will venture to say that I don't comprehend...10% of politics, if that much, and I'm 10 years older than you guys who think that you know every facit of how government works.

Talk about arrogant...get off your high horse and learn to think for yourself. Quit having your opinion fed to you by Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh, or the other countless political news sources that are KNOWN for being biased to both liberal and conservative views, and all of the others in between. Until you can form an opinion on your own without the help of such sources, and until you realize that, as a teenager, you don't know squat, don't bother opening your mouth. Or, in this case, typing a post.

Mike

TonyD

Phantom....here is my responce, attached as a picture.

I love to see it how when someone takes their time to write a thought out post conveying a somewhat legit point how their "opposer" replies w/ a three line responce w/ horrible grammar and filled w/ idiocy. If you think that life experiance and politics have nothing to do w/ each other...that makes YOU the dip****. Let me ask you 2 questions? 1. Why are ALL politicians somewhat old? Hmm...maybe because they've been around long enough to...umm...know the issues? Could be. 2. Why are minors not allowed to vote? POSSIBLY because they walk around acting like "Oh I'm a big bad teenager and I know my stuff and it pisses me off to see when adults don't give me respect"? You have to EARN respect, not just get it. Giving 15 year olds the right to vote would be like bringing your grandparents to a high school party...it ruins it because they don't belong there. Just because you watch the stuff on TV and "inform" yourself does NOT mean you are up on politics. Life experiences give you your views on what you want to happen. The more experience you have, the more you know what you want to believe in. Once again...I do NOT have the experience in life of that of my dad...and wouldn't for a second say I did.

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Jinjiro

A lot of you people have great points, and I'm somewhat saddened to see that the only idiodic points come from the minors...It makes those of us who are intelligent & mature enough to hold a fun (yes, fun) debate like this look bad.

Ok, a ton of points I wanted to talk about...Hmm...Where to start.

1.)I agree and don't agree with the whole politics & life experience. Yes, adults have experience with things such as taxes, previous political movements & wars, etc. However, most adults are not politicians themselves, meaning their political knowledge can be just as limited as a minors.

2.)Perhaps a lot of the older people on here do not realize the amount of political education we recieve now adays in school. I'm not sure if Mike and the rest had PIG (Participation In Government) when they went to High School. Of course, that class is for Juniors & Seniors I think...

3.)I have gotten into debates on issues of politics & wars and what not with teachers, and have been able to hold my own. As a teacher/older person, they have had a lot of time to take in the main points of these topics, but as a minor, we are informed through teachers, media, friends, parents, etc. I think most of the kids are too unfortunate to form their own opinions, however. I was lucky that through 7th & 8th grade my SS teacher taught us to form our own opinions, and played the Devil's Advocate in debates, which helped us show both sides of issues.

4.)I agree, definately needed to be more than 2 choices. Of course, one thing I hate is all the independent parties out there. Liberals & Conservatives are probably the two biggest, with pretty much every view & side on any issue covered. No one I know of completely agrees with any party, except for some of the kids our age who are spoon fed information & taught to think that one side is completely right and the other is completely wrong.

5.)I also agree that most kids who are pro-Anarchy should stfu. Yet I also agree the government shouldn't govern EVERYTHING in our lives....There is a fine line. It is hard to say if the world would be better with or without a government.

Ok, that's all I can think of at this time. Please forgive me if I made any incoherent comments, as I don't like to proof read.

~Jin

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charlesotis

First of all phantom13 shut up you are just as bad. Second gramar error that is my own stupidity especially when i am trying to appear intelligent (sp) there you happy). And there are three options, liberal, conservative or not active, and yes i know what you meant you cant just lump everyone into two categories. What do you want me to do write if you like this this and this and not that and make a hundred options, that is why you can post replies and not jsut take the poll, NOW STOP ARGUING!!!!!!!!!

Phantom13

Most people aren't completeley conservative or Librel, there is a huge difference between being a librel democrat or a a conservative one...really, if you are going to make a political thread and try to act all smart and knowledgeable, at least show the intelligence to add more options...and please enough witht he grammer corrections...It's chat, I really don't want to take the time and spell check my thoughts, I have enough of that every day. The arguments being made are not clear enough and at least I don't quote Grand Theft Auto in my sig...real mature. How many of you under 18 actually have a job?

Phantom13

I agree with bubbajr!! Hoo-ray!