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***Alpha*** · August 16th, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flatliner105

and untill you get that liscence they are ILLEGAL...and in order to get that liscence u must include one key peice of informantion that 99% of us dont have....a ligitamit reason to use a full auto weapon.

Wow.. You answered yourself. You can't get a gatling gun. Gatling guns can not be simply toted around town. Go to google adn do a search for gatling gun.

A gun that is fired from teh hip is no different then a gun fired from the shoulder. If I aim a .22 pistol at your face and shoot, your going to die. Now your alive again. I shoot you with an AR-15 from the hip and hit you in the face. Hey your dead again.

Full auto guns shouldn't be legalized. You should be able to have one for a legit reason. As far as bayonets and cosmetics of the gun go, whats the difference?

Flatliner105 · August 16th, 10:48 PM

yes^^ and i hope they keep it that way...and dont make it so u can just pick up a auto firearm like alpha wants.

***Alpha*** · August 16th, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flatliner105

yes^^ and i hope they keep it that way...and dont make it so u can just pick up a auto firearm like alpha wants.

Whats my name? You don' know anythign about guns. CAn you tell me the difference between a .45 and a .45 magnum without googling or researching?

The AWB is messed up becuase it makes guns that LOOK scary illegal. www.awbsunset.com . You don't need a full auto gun. However, semi auto anything, bolt action anythign, pump action anythign should be legal to the full extent of the law. I can purchase an M82A1 antimaterial .50BMG rifle and shoot you through a wall at 700 yards away and the bullet would probably keep going into the next room. Yet I can't get a 5.56mm M16A2?

How long does it take to change a mag? Less then 5 seconds if you just drop it to the gorund carelessly. I can carry 10 ten round magazines and still do the same damage as I could with a 100 round drum. THe only difference is a bit of time.

Flatliner, whats the difference between a mag and a clip without looking it up.

**olddfatbulldog** · August 16th, 11:00 PM

What's Flatliner's knowledge of firearms have to do with any of this? I don't want to start a flame war with you Alpha, I just think I missed something...

***Dooms*** · August 16th, 11:17 PM

The AWB is just a useless restriction on firearms. Once it expires it doesn't mean you can get a full auto 20mm grenade launcher. It means I can have more reliable, less expensive magazines for my firearms and be able to legally use my grandfathers .22 which is technically illegal because it holds over 15 rounds of .22 short

It was done just to give firearms users more restrictions, a stepping stone to a full ban on all firearms.

***Alpha*** · August 16th, 11:19 PM

Crime rates have not gone down becuase of the AWB. .8% of crimes involved so called "assault weapons"

www.awbansunset.com

**david_4x4** · August 16th, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flatliner105

automatic weapons are illegal buddy...so no one is gonna go full auto on ur ass.

and no one should own a gattling gun (gun fired from the waste)...theres no point.

They put banns to protect people. If they made dangerous weapons legal...i bet for every 1 person that uses it correctly...there are 5 that use it incorrectly.

I rather be flustered that i cant get a gattling gun.....then be worried that a guy i flick off at a intersection might pull that same gattling gun out of his trunk and **** me up.

Stop being immature...america has some of the LOOSEST gun laws in the world. and we pay for it by have an extreme amoutn of gun deaths a year.

In other countries your not even alowed to own handguns without a special liscence and a good reason....in america u can get ahold of the same weapons used by the US army and even special forces. Not only that but almost all states have concealed carry laws....meaning ur alowed to carry around a concealed weapon if you have a permit (which is basicly having backround check and taking a gun class which teaches u how to load a gun...and tells u not to shoot innocent people). Ok just think about it...other counties u cant even own a...and here you can walk around with a concealed one if you take a few classes.

Honestly u scare me man...your talkin about holding guns up to sumones head...about owning full auto mp5s....ur treatin guns like toys. wtf is wrong with you. Its one thing to get a gun for hunting...or sport shooting...but to own one just to own one and think its cool is asking for trouble.

your immature and the last thing u need is a gun.

Just stop complaining...u dont realize how loose the gun laws really are compaired to the world

It's painfully obvious that you have no clue what you are talking about. In Texas anyone the age of 21 with no criminal history, has an C.L.E.O. signoff, and pays the ATF the $200 dollar transfer tax; can get any machine registered before 1986. With absolutely NO license of the purchaser required. Those rules are generally the same for most other states.

***Dooms*** · August 16th, 11:33 PM

By the way, England and Austrailia is having a lot of problems with home invasions. The amount went up over 300%. The crime rate has skyrocketed, the death rate average has exploded, not only by firearms, but by other weapons that before were seen used barely enough to make a stat. Just because a ban is in place their doesn't mean the criminals follow it. By the way, did you get a look at Switzerland's laws in your research? Every house is required to have a fully automatic rifle and practice with it in the defense of the country, yet they haven't had a death from a fully automatic rifle in years. U.S. laws arn't too leniant, they are perfect where they were before the useless AWB.

**Flash LCD** · August 16th, 11:38 PM

Flatliner, read these:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ae771eb4adb.htm

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/wallstreet.html

http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_e...ct/gunown.html

What's that you say? "Neighboring Austria, France, Germany, and Italy, all with stricter gun-control laws, had murder rates during 2000 that were 21 to 112 percent higher than Switzerland's?"

***Alpha*** · August 16th, 11:40 PM

If anyone invaded switzerland, they'd get a steyr up their arse.

**Flash LCD** · August 16th, 11:52 PM

Nah, probably some 550 rifle, but just as efective

***Dooms*** · August 17th, 12:00 AM

Yea, I thought the Swiss military rifle is a SIG 90 ?

**Flash LCD** · August 17th, 12:18 AM

SG550 is the official battle rifle. Steyr is Austrian. And yes you are correct, although not technicly becuase the Stgw.90 PE is the civialin version. And yes it's SG, not SIG. Sig is the manufacturer, SG stands for Sturmgewehr, which means assault rifle.

550(top)
551(bottom)

**Pr0ph3t** · August 17th, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Flatliner105

and no one should own a gattling gun (gun fired from the waste)...theres no point.

This sentence right here proves you know absolutely NOTHING about firearms.

Gattling gun - A multibarreled gun (normally 6 to 8 barrels) fed by a chain of ammunition. Has a firing rate of about 3000 rounds per minute, and normally fires 7.62mm ammunition. Also commonly called a chain gun. Seen in Terminator 2 (I think), Arnold uses one to take out cop cars. Ever see BlackHawk Down? The little birds make runs on the Somalians with the GATTLING GUNS from their helicopters.

And no one in their right mind fires a gun from the waist. It's a waste of ammunition, you're inaccurate, and 95% of the time you aren't going to kill who you're aiming at. Your argument sucks, your knowledge sucks, and you're just ****ing stupid.

**Javaman** · August 17th, 10:38 AM

So what's the bottom line about owning full auto guns? Can anyone with a clear history get the proper permit or do you need a legit reason? It's nice that the option is there but people planning on using a full auto for defense make me nervous. During stressful firefights many people have a hard enough time dealing with accurate aiming and overpenetration when firing single shots. I would hate to be a neighbor of someone spraying an intruder with a full auto highpowerd assault rifle.
In another thread I've mentioned some of the tactical disadvantages of using rifles vs pistols for home def.

***Alpha*** · August 17th, 10:41 AM

I wouldn't want a rifle for ome defense... I might go shotgun, perfect for CQB.. M3 Super 90 all the way. But anyways, you can't get a full auto gun. I'd like one becuase I know I would never use the feature unless I was forced to, hurt anybody with a firearm unless they endangered me or anyone around me.

Lord Headley · August 17th, 10:45 AM

You're right, legally you cant pick up a f/a right now. Though most people that have them pick up a typical semi and mod them for f/a. Granted you're fine, as long as no one gets wind of it and turns you in. Then you're royally screwed.

- Brian

Flatliner105 · August 17th, 10:52 AM

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I wouldn't want a rifle for ome defense... I might go shotgun, perfect for CQB..

there ya go again...your relating close quater combat to home defense. Defending yourself isnt being like SF and busting down doors and blitzing the room....its about people attacking YOU...and you being defenseless so you use the firearm.

And no a shotgun woudl be bad. A bugaler does not annouce his intentions of breaking in and taking **** and possibly harming you outside...no u may here him walkin down the hallway or hear him come in a room. From then you would have to get this big shotgun out...and point it towards him while hes basicly running at u to stop you. I would personally have a Handgun of some kind...so i can actually have good control over it.

**Javaman** · August 17th, 10:56 AM

I found my post in the home intruder thread. My apologies if you've read it already.

<snip>That is one of the big disadvantages of using a shotgun/rifle for home defense. It would work good for covering a door to prevent anyone entering, but it's a big no-no for searching your house. At the close ranges in a house it is much too easy for a criminal to deflect your barrel or yank the gun away. You may think that you'll just keep your distance but it doesn't work that way. If he is hiding around a corner you can't lead with the shotgun while "slicing the pie" because he can easily grab it before you even see him. If you walk with the rifle/shotgun lowered, you won't have enough time to bring it to bear before he rushes you. Another disadvantage from using a shotgun, especially with a slug or a high powered rifle is the overpenetration factor. Even if you nail him the projectiles will likely pierce several walls and could easily kill someone in another room, outside or even in another house. In addition the scatter effect of a shotgun won't help you at all with the tight spaces in a house.

The best bet for home defense is probably a pistol. Weapon retention is much easier and by using hollow points you don't have to worry